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1891-CC $20 Gold Coin - Real Or Fake?

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 Posted 02/03/2019  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list
Doesn't look genuine to me either. Compare to https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...1-cc-20/9017 -- in this one, the digits in the date are thinner. The "N" in "TWENTY" on the reverse looks odd as well.
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 Posted 02/03/2019  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I must be remembered that all dates of U.S. gold coins, of all denominations, have been faked in the past.
Because it is a rare date, there is a much greater temptation for it to be faked.

Need much sharper focus pictures for this thread.

Needs to be checked accurately for weight.

If these OK,
then it needs to be checked with an XRF instrument. Go to a scrap gold buyer for that. If it turns out to be .900 fine, you must keep the coin, for further consideration. If it turns out to be .900 fine, it will be worth many times it's gold value.
The scrap gold buyer may well ask for a testing fee.
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 Posted 02/03/2019  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list
perhaps if you can supply some background information on the coin.. like were it was obtained from, how long have you had it, what did you pay for it, etc..
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 Posted 02/03/2019  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
As noted above, on the OP coin the date details of the loops on the eight and bottom loop on the nine look off and position is not correct. I would guess only one set of dies being used for a gold mintage of 5000 coins as I could not fine any other position for the date or CC. The position of the CC is off when compared to genuine examples. The OP coin appears to be a counterfeit.

Genuine NGC AU58
1891-CC-$20-Gold-Coin---Real-Or-Fake?

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1891-CC-$20-Gold-Coin---Real-Or-Fake?
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 Posted 02/03/2019  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
There are too many problems for me to think this is real. I see a lot of little surface bubbles which indicate casting. If you want to find out for sure send it to ANACS for inexpensive authentication.
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 Posted 02/04/2019  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Date numeral style does not match that on the known genuine coin. At that time they were using the same date logotype for ALL the dies, so the date should be the same on every die for that year. The 1's are too tall and thin, the inner loops of the 8 and 9 are almost round notovals as on the genuine.
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 Posted 02/04/2019  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Lots of evidence here pointing to a fake. I'm certainly convinced.
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 Posted 02/04/2019  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NDBirdman to your friends list
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 Posted 02/04/2019  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
100% fake. Heritage Auctions is your friend - search auction archives and look at images. Not only is CC in the wrong position, I don't think it was even taken from a real CC coin. The C's look childish. And where is the eagle's left wing? The date just looks silly. Hope you didn't pay real money for this. The cheapest real one on HA went for $4000, and that was AU50 repaired and whizzed.
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 Posted 02/04/2019  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srcliff to your friends list
The next question I'd like to know is: new fake or old fake?
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 Posted 02/05/2019  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Probably a fairly recent one (last ten to fifteen year)
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 Posted 02/06/2019  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Way too many red flags on this one.
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 Posted 02/09/2019  06:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EarlyTurban to your friends list
Welcome to the forum. Unfortunately the coin appears to be a fake. The date, mintmark and reverse lettering all look off.
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 Posted 02/09/2019  08:31 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
How did you obtain this coin?
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