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1990 Lincoln Memorial Cent Doubled Die DDO-001 - Finally

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 Posted 02/13/2019  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Even if you paid a fortune for it, it was well worth it!
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 Posted 02/14/2019  06:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
tropicalbats,
Are you collecting only DDO-001 coins? What about DDR-001? Only certain class doubled dies?
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 Posted 02/14/2019  07:51 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Hi John, The collection is all business strike Lincoln cents with a DDO-001 (CONECA) attribution. I actually do have some of the proofs, so maybe it's really just all of them. While tempting to also shoot for DDR-001, RPM-001, WDDO-001, etc., I wanted to keep it fairly tightly focused and with a lot of coins that people would be interested in. For better or worse, most of the DDRs are pretty basic class 6 doubled dies, while a number of the DDOs are RedBook and/or highly desirable/popular.

I need to update the list now, but the list of missing dates has been on the forum for over a year. Not one reply/PM/anything from this posting but it gives me a linkable place to keep the list if anyone asks what I'm still missing. I think that post may have the record for most views without a reply as it was at 0/771 when I checked to get the link:

http://goccf.com/t/304015

Most of the stuff on there isn't rare, it's just things I haven't personally found nor the typical stuff that is for sale. Who looks for 1975 DDO-001? Who would even try to sell one if they had one as it's not worth anything? So not rare and valuable just darn hard to put one's hands on.

I need to go over and remove the 1990, but soon I am going to do a bigger edit and create a second list of coins I would like to upgrade as well. The plan is also to put a thread on here with all of them from 1909-1939 but I have been struggling to find 1929-S DDO-001 and so it is still one coin from complete. That said, some of the coins in that part of the set are pretty worn and I look forward to going back through them all, taking photos, and seeing if they all stand up as the DDO I originally called them. It is possible I will kill some of them and have to re-find some dates that I "think" I have. Eventually I will do a thread on the later coins as well, but still a number of holes in there. That said, it's a big collection as there are a lot of them, and soon there will be 2019 to find I suspect.




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 Posted 02/14/2019  08:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
Congrats on this awesome cent my friend!
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 Posted 02/14/2019  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wrongnumber to your friends list
You finally got one. I've been looking for you , but now I really see how much of a bugger that is to spot. Still on the look out for the other 3 you mentioned. ;)
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Hello all. Previous coin collector in my youth and recently it has sparked my interest again. I've been trying my best to search this forum about things I'm seeing on my coins to not waste your time if possible.

Just curious to why the forum community was so accepting of the declaration that this is a doubled die. If you look at the bottom on CE in CENT and TES in STATES you will see the split, or beginning to split, copper platting.

Here are just a couple of examples with that issue and some with the doubling that the forum community quickly wrote of as common issues and thus valuing the coin at face value

Split copper platting

http://goccf.com/t/390250

http://goccf.com/t/377313

Die Deterioration Doubling

http://goccf.com/t/392229

Machine Doubling

http://goccf.com/t/340543

http://goccf.com/t/331136

http://goccf.com/t/361152
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 Posted 03/17/2022  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Copper coins list three of them for that year:
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
1990_-1DO-003 is a match to the V.V DDO-001. (and links to Wexler's WDDO-004)
Wexler lists for WDDO's for this year:
http://doubleddie.com/398701.html
WDDO-004 is listed as a match for V.V DDO-001.
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 Posted 03/17/2022  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Coins may have multiple issues. This coin clearly has some split plating, which is common on 1990 coins. It also has a die crack from the upper left of the memorial to the rim, some light linear plating bubbles on the obverse, and slightly mis-aligned dies. None of that has anything to do with the DDO, which is doubling that was on the die that made the coin and none of that adds any value and may even subtract value.

The doubling is most visible on the tops of the LI of LIBERTY, where the letters have a clear notch and separation. But you can also see notches from where the two sets of devices are overlain by looking at the lower left of the letters in LIBERTY and the lower right of the 1 in the date. There are more places where the notches show, but those are the easiest to see in the photos. Otherwise, if you know how thick the devices are supposed to be on a normal coin, you will notice that the letters of LIBERTY are too thick (more or less east to west, see how the T of LIBERTY almost touches the Y). Also the upper tails of the 9's in the date are much too thick and under the scope even show a light notching there as well.

So you learn to separate out all the different things on any coin. The doubled dies have very specific attributes that verify them as a doubled die, not one of the several other things that can show as doubled devices on a coin. Hope this helps.
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Extremely helpful! Thank you!
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 Posted 03/18/2022  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
You're very welcome. Doubled dies are by their nature rare, but once you learn to sort out what to look for exactly, you will find them. Last night a friend of mine sent me a photo of a beautiful 1954-D he recently purchased, and said something like, "well, it's not a variety but what a nice coin." I could see in his photo bumps above the L and B of LIBERTY and knew immediately it was DDO-005. He had no idea to look for that. It's just a learning curve, and once you know what to look for it just gets easier. Good luck, and welcome to CCF!
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Congratulations on the addition to your collection.
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:20 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Well jp brought this thread up as a great place to ask about how to discern a doubled die from other types of doubling, so not a new addition but one I added two years ago. But still haven't seen another one of these since.

And certainly not going for ALL the DDO's, although that is the goal of at least one of my friends. Awesome undertaking. I'm just looking for a complete set of DDO-001 coins, per the CONECA listings, and at this point am about 8 coins from finishing it. Last weekend I pulled out that whole collection and was going to go back through and verify everything and figure out exactly what is needed and what I really need an upgrade on, but just ran out of time. Maybe this weekend. I will be putting something in the "wants" forum once I am sure of what I still need. But the short list is something like 1938 (proof), 1975, 1977-D, 1987-D, 1988-D, 1996-D and maybe 2004 (need to verify that one). 1969-S is also hanging out there, but it really is out of my price range so always pretty much knew it would be missing and I'm okay with that.
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
When one of the big ones come along, you might trade in some of your collection to get the harder ones as partial trades? (I often think outside the box after reading you delima. Went back to add that thought. Because someday, the opportunity my present itself. And my comment may come back to you then?)
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