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 Posted 08/17/2008  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
looks like I will have to get a few good items up for sale now to set aside the money for the coin show. I know I can get a little bit out of control and buy like crazy just at the coin shop, let alone a coin show. lol
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 Posted 08/17/2008  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
A lot depends on your definition. I remember going to Chattanooga, which listed four coin shops when there were 20 in Columbus, Ahia. One we never did find, another was a few coins in the back of a drug store, a third was mainly stamps and mainly mail order.

The big one was Chattanooga Coin Co, which put out a 24 page tabloid listing virtually every commonly collected series coin in multiple grades. We asked for multiple silver dollars we needed for stock, and despite being in their paper, they had none of them. In fact, I had more stuff with me to do a mall show than they had in the store! They just took orders and filled them from their dealer contacts. They had a basement full of people filling mail orders.
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 Posted 08/17/2008  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
I would think that the true number of B&M stores(ones you can actually walk in off the street and the main feature is coins, not pawn shops/jewelry stores that happen to sell coins or solely mail order/internet businesses) in the US is probably only in the mid to low hundreds nowadays. St. Louis has a metro area population of over 2.8 million but I can only think of seven or so true shops, two of them across the river in Illinois. I have no idea as to what the rest of the world is like, but I imagine that coin shops are probably more common in the US than globally.
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 Posted 08/17/2008  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Until coin dealers understand that they have to make a profit, I suspect we'll see fewer of them over time.
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 Posted 08/17/2008  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Why would I want to attend Long Beach as a dealer, which I have thought about doing until talking with other dealers there, when the space and table is going to set me back $600! I have many dealer friends at Long Beach that tell me how much they made Friday-Sunday, 8 hours per day, and I said! I think I will stick to ebay right now with all their small fees.
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 Posted 08/18/2008  01:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list
I read so many posts on here about people having multiple coin shops near them and think why can't it be the same here?
My closest one, which was 15 minutes drive away, has moved, and is now 1/2 an hour drive. And it is still the closest. I live in Melbourne, with a population of 3.6 million, and coin shops are few and far between. The only place you can find them together is right in the heart of the city, and that is a major pain in the a##s to get to. Not to mention the higher prices due to higher overheads, and in some cases, perceived leaders in the field.

There are plenty of on-line and mail order dealers, but it is not the same as seeing the stock on hand. Perhaps there just isn't the demand here for more shops.

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 Posted 08/18/2008  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Perhaps there just isn't the demand here for more shops.

The demand is there, as long as you're willing to work for nothing.

Collectors (and most dealers) don't understand there's a reason why most businesses sell stuff for 2-3 times what they pay.

I had a multi-million dollar dealer tell me it's a rare year they make more than 10% on sales. Consider that a realtor makes 6-10% and takes NO RISK OR INVESTMENT in his inventory, that's just plain foolish. And their average sale is $100,000!

I think everyone needs to recognize just how few serious collectors there really are. I'm not talking about millions of people who will buy a $5 holder and fill it with State Quarters that they refuse to pay more than face for, those won't keep a coin shop open (especially since they buy the holder at hobby lobby or a bookstore). I mean the 30,000 who are serious enough to join the ANA or subscribe to a coin paper.

Divide that over the 600 stores mentioned above, and that's a customer a week. No wonder there are so many "coin and something else" shops and they all buy scrap gold. You gotta do something to justify sitting around all day.
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 Posted 08/18/2008  03:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list

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I know I can get a little bit out of control and buy like crazy
Here's an idea that I do for myself. Study your books, and learn a few varieties by heart you'd like to own. Such as a 1949 1c A to denticles. Armed with your new knowledge, go to the Torex and look just for those coins. I have tons of fun this way, and I usually go home with maybe 5 coins, and perhaps $50 spent tops--but with far higher BV.
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 Posted 08/18/2008  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
That's called cherrypicking.

I was at a show that was horrible for just about everyone except one guy who was going around buying early matte proof Lincolns that were being sold as uncs.
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 Posted 08/18/2008  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
well, I have studied my books and that really made my problems worse!! LOL now I know a whole bunch more things that I would really like to have. I think what I need to do is try to stick to one country at a time but that isn't so easy for me. There is just SO much out there that I don't have yet. Yes I sit and go through the books and see pictures, then I say well... I just want to see it in hand and then once it's in my hand that's it, I have to buy it cause it would kill me to hand it back. Every one has some type of uncontrollable addiction.... mine happens to be coins. :)
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 Posted 08/18/2008  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
So you buy and sell cherrypicks and use the profits to finance the stuff you want to collect.
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 Posted 08/18/2008  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
biggfredd,

that is actually a very good idea. I have never tried the cherry picking side of coin collecting. I'm not sure how the coin show will be but at my local coin shop the dealer seems to just say a price as you get to the cash out area. lol none of his stuff is priced in the store so unless I spend all day saying how much for this? I usually don't know what the costs are. I have only been to this new store in my new neighborhood once and it sure makes me miss my old store. With my new dealer, I was very surprised by how often I asked a question and he said he didn't know the answer. was a little strange as my old dealer knew everything there was to know about coins.
Maybe I will give the cherry picking thing a try at the coin show and see how that works out for me.
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 Posted 08/18/2008  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list
My guess would be more than you'd expect. However there is only one (1) which is pertinent to me and possibly most other collectors. That's the we're heading to or shopping at.

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 Posted 08/18/2008  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list

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That's called cherrypicking.
Mea culpa
This is all I usually do--and I can usually break even by finding a few nice coins and selling those to fellow collectors here--at far less than "value".

Malissa, it's not really for me to suggest any particular route to take. You'll find a niche that you enjoy best.
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 Posted 08/18/2008  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
The problem with your question is COIN SHOPS. Probably not to many in the entire USA as most would suspect. However, if you throw in pawn shops, jewlery stores, flea markets, hobby stores, general stores, department stores, then the number would be staggering. The problem is with any type of store that does only one type of work or sells only one product, way to limited unless a really popular item. For example even Starbucks sells other items besides coffee. I've seen many stores open up selling only one product and almost as fast going out of buisness. I've seen stores that attept to sell only popcorn, donuts, fudge, etc. and unless they start selling other items, they go out. There is an auto radio repair place near me that also sells cars, radios, DVD and CD players, wire, connectors and on and on and on. He told me if he only fixed radios, he would close in one week. A very large store, now gone in the area, Carson's, used to have a hobby dealer on the 5th floor that sold coins but also sold baseball/football cards, stamps, etc.
We have a minimum of 3 coin shows monthly within about 15 miles or less of my house. These are relatively small of less than 100 dealers but occationally there are those really big ones in the area with virtually hundreds of dealers. Almost all the dealers at the regular coin shows also have or work in a coin type store or hobby store. They too sell other items or they too would have a hard time of making money. You just don't get a massive flow of customers for coins all day, every day at a coin store.
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