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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I seldom believe polls. Usually they are compiled by people that want certain results so they only poll those that go along with what they want to hear. So of like get rid of gun polls.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: But if the poll subjects are first told that is costs more than the face value to produced and that the government loses more than $50 million every year making cents, the poll results change considerably. Truth.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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I agree, of course, that the cent (and nickel and dime) should be phased out but I've stopped caring about it. It'll probably happen some day when we get the career politicians out of Washington that have been there for decades.
The only use I have for cents these days is numismatic. If I get them in change, they go directly in my "to the bank" bowl. To be frank, almost ALL of my change goes directly to that bowl with the possible exception of quarters. I would rather receive change than carry it around and attempt to spend it. Quarters are occasionally useful, say for parking meters that don't accept credit cards.
Regardless, I make so few transactions with cash these days that any argument for or against the cent is a (personal) waste of time. Apparently enough people don't care or don't know that it costs more to make than it is worth.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: I agree, of course, that the cent (and nickel and dime) should be phased out There's no real argument for the nickel and dime though. If the argument is purchasing power than everything below the $5 should be eliminated. The real issue with the purchasing power argument is that if you really did follow it inflation will quickly run rampant
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2271 Posts |
Quote: There's no real argument for the nickel and dime though. If the argument is purchasing power than everything below the $5 should be eliminated. The real issue with the purchasing power argument is that if you really did follow it inflation will quickly run rampant No! Inflation is caused by waste. Specifically it is caused by government destruction and spending in excess of what they create and tax. Government wastes mountains of money but it's being masked right now by staggering increases in real productivity and much of government income being taken from the future in terms of various types and categories of IOU's. In other words pennies cause inflation and don't prevent it.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2271 Posts |
A tenth of a dollar is a perfectly good number for our smallest unit of change. However, to prevent the waste of throwing away 50 billion quarters we need a nickel to bridge the gap. Logically we need to withdraw the current nickel and replace it with something smaller and much less expensive. Aluminum would be a good choice so we don't have toxic metals like zinc in the environment.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Bedrock of the Community
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No, if you removed several lower denominations inflation would run rampant even faster. Waste is only part of the issue, over paying for what used to be high school jobs is another part but that is as far as I will go into that to avoid politics. Conditioning people that a denomination is worthless is a far bigger aspect than making a penny
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2271 Posts |
I usually take your meaning but not in this case.
It's illogical to remove all the smaller denominations because it would become impossible to make change. Nobody wants to pay $5 for Ramen noodles. The question is what's the largest amount of money people should have to leave behind because there's no smaller denomination. It seems to me that about 10 or 15 seconds of pay at minimum wage is a fairly good number. In any given exchange one party can be hurt but it will generally even out over the long haul. This amount of value is small enough neither party has much incentive to try to abuse it. If it were $5 then everyone would put $2.49 worth of gas in their cars every day for free. We'd have gas lines back.
A penny is worthless. It's actually less than worthless because we spend billions of dollars producing, handling, counting and hauling them out to the trash every year. We'd spend even more if we actually cleaned them up off the streets and parking lots. We make so many billions of pennies because they are less than worthless. I wonder how much money was spent to keep the penny this year or whether any money passes to get poll results like this published. It's exceedingly bad and one sided reporting so any legitimate news organ wouldn't run the story as is. How many people were bothered in their home in a telephone poll and just hung up assuming it was a phony credit card company in Pakistan? How smart on average are people who talk to strangers or pollsters on the phone now days? They can't be very smart since nearly 100% of all calls from strangers are scams and thieves.
Poll results can be anything desired. Without details (that you can believe) results are meaningless. People are lying to pollsters now days and I don't know if they'd lie about their desire for pennies or not. All we know is they are asking unknown groups of people unknown questions and then claiming they want pennies. And they are getting paid big numbers to get the right results from their polls which wouldn't have been reported if the results were different. This looks like more "Soup of the Day Science" and the reported results are meaningless.
The government wants to get rid of cash so these questions are all moot anyway.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
Edited by cladking 05/02/2019 3:29 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I agree, of course, that the cent (and nickel and dime) should be phased out but I've stopped caring about it. Same here, and that goes for the dollar coins, too. It is a hill I no longer want to defend. 
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Logically we need to withdraw the current nickel and replace it with something smaller and much less expensive. Aluminum would be a good choice so we don't have toxic metals like zinc in the environment. I agree. And as long as we have the quarter we need to keep the nickel unless we really want to break some brains. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
8938 Posts |
A pickle nickel 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: It's illogical to remove all the smaller denominations because it would become impossible to make change. Nobody wants to pay $5 for Ramen noodles. That was honestly my point though. The argument used to get rid of a lot of the smaller denominations especially when someone starts mentioning nickels and dimes, really applies basically all the way up to the $5 or I guess technically the $2 because there is essentially no purchasing power below that. Even the dollar menus require more than a dollar after tax. The whole purchasing power argument holds no weight with me considering the function that change plays
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ask yourself this. If pennies are so valuable and according to the poll people want them, then why do you see pennies laying all over the ground, always find pennies in wishing or fountain pools, and you always see give a penny/take a penny trays all over the place?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: That was honestly my point though. The argument used to get rid of a lot of the smaller denominations especially when someone starts mentioning nickels and dimes, really applies basically all the way up to the $5 or I guess technically the $2 because there is essentially no purchasing power below that. Even the dollar menus require more than a dollar after tax. The whole purchasing power argument holds no weight with me considering the function that change plays Already we can't get exactly a gallon of gas because it costs $2.89 and 9/10c. Does this mean everyone always loses a quarter of a teaspoon worth of gas with every gallon? No! It doesn't matter how much it costs per gallon because the price is rounded off to the nearest penny. Sometimes you get an extra quarter teaspoon and sometimes you lose a quarter teaspoon. This way we don'y have to fiddle around with coins worth even less than the less than worthless cent.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Ask yourself this. If pennies are so valuable and according to the poll people want them, then why do you see pennies laying all over the ground, always find pennies in wishing or fountain pools, and you always see give a penny/take a penny trays all over the place? Well said. 
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