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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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I am about 90% sure that this is fake. Really don't like the look of the lettering. I would not have bought it if it was sold individually.
That said, I'm very far from an expert, and it's possible (though unlikely) that this coin is in fact real.
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Hi, Thanks for the welcomes. Wow I didn't realise it was a Claudius coin but you're absolutely right. I searched it and could not find the same coin but I found some pretty close. However I also agree I believe ths particular coin is a fake. Compared to the others it is just too perfect and smooth - especially the near perfect roundness and smooth edges. The fake also just looks brand new stamped like no wear at all. I've attached some photos below of the best matches I could find. The nearest I found looks to be what this forgery was based on - only missing the little studs around its outside. I also found someone posted a pic of their fake Claudius coin and the smoothness of the metal seems to be just like my one. There's a sort of oily glossed look to it. If someone can show me evidence that proves this is fake I'm sure I can get a refund as it was listed as a "Nero" coin and turned out to be a fake Claudius... lol       
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1554 Posts |
The high points should be worn with crispness remaining in the recesses. This coin has an overall soapy softness typical of cast fakes. One would expect a genuine example of this type in similar condition to sell somewhere north of $1000, even on ebay. The price you paid is a red flag in its own right.
Edited by Kushanshah 05/06/2019 7:44 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I would like to see an independently provable provenance for this coin.
I am not happy with the style of the die cutting on the reverse, it is out of character with other sestertii of Nero that I have reviewed on Vcoins.
If it is a modern fake (and I think thus far, that it is), it should XRF test as a discreet controlled alloy of brass, (copper and zinc only). The ancients could not refine copper as well as in modern times, and as a result a modern alloy would be devoid of a wide variety of the trace elements that may be found in the alloy of a Roman sestertius. The Roman term for a brass alloy of copper and zinc is 'orichalcum'.
I agree with the comments that the surfaces look (and probably feel) 'greasy'. This often indicates (but not always) that suspect sestertius is fake.
Edited by sel_69l 05/06/2019 7:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1554 Posts |
Edited by Kushanshah 05/06/2019 8:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7066 Posts |
Perhaps a match? From the fake reports: 
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
It is probable in this case, that the seller can't honestly be really sure if the coin is genuine or not.
'Caveat Emptor' becomes critical. Just attempt to sell it, in the hope that it may indeed be genuine.
I would pass on this one.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1554 Posts |
The seller of this coin ancientearth2006 is on Forvm's "Notorious Fake Sellers List".
Edited by Kushanshah 05/06/2019 8:13 pm
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Edited by Ancientness 05/06/2019 9:44 pm
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New Member
 United Kingdom
5 Posts |
If this ring is fake it's the most disappointing :/ 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1554 Posts |
Nothing suspicious about the return policy. That's an industry standard practice. In my opinion, the "Indo-Greek" (Kushan), Byzantine, Islamic, Crusader bulk lot and Greek bronzes are likely genuine. Most of the silver and the rings are certainly fake. This is a common pattern on ebay. We've all learned expensive lessons along the way. I hope this will not dissuade you from your interest in ancient coins.
Edited by Kushanshah 05/06/2019 9:48 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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There is a mixture of both genuine and fake coins that you bought. The Kushan coins all appear genuine while most of the silver coins are fakes. The rings are also fakes. Sorry to have to tell you this.
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Moderator
 United States
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@ancientness, first welcome to CCF. Second, I was bummed to read through this thread and see that are have not gotten started off on the right foot. I wouldn't recommend purchasing these sorts of coins off of ebay, although I do note that there are some very good sellers there too. You will see a sticky thread on this part of the forum with recommended and not recommended sellers of ancient coins. Consider working with someone from the former rather than the latter. Finally, for some of the coins which do appear to be real in your collection, if you would like some help with the identification process, please feel free to start a new thread and post them here. We love a challenge!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Thanks Kushanshah, no it would not kill my interest in such things, however my wallet is feeling strained these days so I'm considering return the whole thing since the seller is listed on the noterious fake list. That's so weird and confusing how some of these coins could be legit and some not. I did buy some very expensive coins a while back -Widows Mite Judean Lepton Of Alex Janeaus, NGC 103-76 BC BIBLE-COIN JESUS ERA, Judaea, Valerius Gratus (AD 16-26) Prutah, Money of the Bible, NGC Genuine! I also got some really cool coins from World War 2 and 1912 and 1800s. I'd like to share them on this site in another post some day. Yes I definitely learned a lesson, hopefully a refund will make it not a costly one. I'll definitely do my homework some more on sellers and coin legitimacy before buying again. I know my Jesus era coins are legit though because they are sealed I can't even open it unless I break the box. I really appreciate everyones help here. This is a great site! Thanks!
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Thanks for that information echizento, at least they are not all fake then. I'll have to sort the fake from the real - fun times haha
Thanks Spence, well I guess it's the best way to learn - I won't be forgetting this lesson in a hurry haha Yes that would be great! I'll take some photos of the ones considered real and give a better look at them. I'll also share the Jesus Era widows mite NGC legit money and WW2 moneys etc. Cheers!
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