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Real Or Fake? 1793 Flowing Hair Chain Cent.

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 Posted 05/09/2019  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Even if ANY of these dollars is real, they've been tampered with. Cleaned and artificially toned. A person would be a fool to buy a $10,000 raw coin on ebay.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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05/09/2019 11:07 pm
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 Posted 05/10/2019  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list

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That seller has a bunch of early dollars -- every single one of them looks fake to me. I could be wrong, but if I am right ebay should ban the seller permanently.


I am watching all these dollars. 2 of them have sold, both well over $1000. The others are being bid up, the 1795 is up to $3950.

Oh, and the chain cent is back up -
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1793-CHAIN...293082698687

Breaks my heart to see people being scammed like this. I could have been one of them if not for this board, so thank you all for the vigilant eye.
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 Posted 05/11/2019  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
If ebay removed the listing, and then seller puts it back up it seems either the seller is ignoring ebay rules OR the seller has good reason to believe the coin is genuine and has convinced ebay to allow the listing. With this seller, I would stay far away, and it will be interesting to see if the listing stays up.
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 Posted 05/11/2019  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list
and to top it off Andy the seller participates in shill bidding.....so good luck and don't bid high because the seller will bid you up to your high bid and....more.
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 Posted 05/11/2019  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list

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they can't shill bid you up unless they have a massive proxy shill bid.


They probably do. They are there to get top dollar. These guys are professionals.
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 Posted 05/11/2019  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list
They aren't even trying to hide it; they have a bidder who raised the price on their so-called 1885 proof Indian cent today by $100 with 1446 bids on 301 items in the last 30 days with a 97% bidding activity with this seller. Avoid this seller like plague.
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 Posted 05/13/2019  07:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list

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That seller has a bunch of early dollars -- every single one of them looks fake to me. I could be wrong, but if I am right ebay should ban the seller permanently.


And .. sold. Those four plus the 1795 posted earlier went for:

$4262, $1105, $1425, $2800, $9210.

Amazing.

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 Posted 05/13/2019  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list
Who knows if they sold or not, for sure some shill bidding going on. I wouldn't buy anything off them for any price lol.
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 Posted 05/18/2019  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdqguy to your friends list
Some observations re this seller:
Their latest draped bust dollar ebay sale was last night. A 1796 Lg. Date/Sm. Ltrs that appears to be genuine, something like AU58 details (Repaired)- [maybe even MS det.]; sold for $11,050.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293086706091
It does not show up as a recent Heritage Auction pickup.
The off center strike is similar to other TPG examples.
These people are doing a vigorous business with many liberty Seated dimes selling just last night. I monitored for a couple of hours and did not notice any fakes, but a wide variety of grades mostly sniped as decent deals. If they are selling counterfeit bust dollars they are hidden in a large sales volume of normal exchanges.
One problem with the 'old safe in a 200 yr. old store' claim is that it is a cinder block building, although they'd likely offer that it was remodeled.
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 Posted 05/18/2019  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list

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Some observations re this seller:
Their latest draped bust dollar ebay sale was last night. A 1796 Lg. Date/Sm. Ltrs that appears to be genuine, something like AU58 details (Repaired)- [maybe even MS det.]; sold for $11,050.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293086706091
It does not show up as a recent Heritage Auction pickup.


Coin was bought at auction for $5,280 in an NGC AU details-cleaned slab and cracked-out:
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...view/3-GOQ5S
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 Posted 05/18/2019  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
These coins have magical properties, popping out of TPG holders and transporting to a 200 year old safe. WOW!
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 Posted 05/18/2019  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list
this seller needs to be tarred and feathered, with the claims, that these coins are all coming out of the same safe..wow..
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 Posted 05/28/2019  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rampop to your friends list
Hello All
First comment here but have followed this seller "thedockter" on ebay, and see that the practices have not been stopped. Ignoring the backstory, which is understandable as sales ploy however it strains credibility-but regards the higher priced coins, which is really the more egregious practice, cracking them out of problem holders or the shilling of their auctions?
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 Posted 10/27/2019  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OttawaVoyageur to your friends list

We are now in October and this huge safe keeps producing more...

Tonight it is a bunch of 500-year-old British and Irish coins as well as a 2013 silver eagle



''The shop owner was an avid coin collector and hoarded away some of the best pieces that came into the shop, just as his father had done''

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 Posted 10/27/2019  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
I've followed his listings for a while, running into them by accident. The old safe is an interesting sales gimmick, as is the cinder block building that houses it. It makes you feel like a virtual picker.

Some of the items he puts up are quite interesting, but I really don't want to get into a bidding war over any of them. They all look like "details" coins, caveat emptor at the best.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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10/27/2019 7:39 pm
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