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Real Or Fake? 1793 Flowing Hair Chain Cent.

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 Posted 05/08/2019  2:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Questionable seller, real or fake?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1793-Flowi...AOSwTKRc0nVa
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 Posted 05/08/2019  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These sellers have an 1885 proof IHC for sale which is clearly not an IHC proof. I'd avoid these guys on everything and anything. That 200 year old safe never seems to stop finding something to sell either. Always something new in there they must've missed somehow. But I'll wait to see who comments about this coin.....complete wear on the obverse but the reverse is good. Things that make one go hmmmmmmm......and with a name like Big Al how can he not be trusted. Reminds me of the insurance add on the radio for Big Lou. You can trust Big Lou. Avoid Big Lou and Big Al in my book.
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 Posted 05/08/2019  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No doubt found in that 200 year old pottery store inside the enormous safe.

I wouldn't touch any of the junk this guy peddles. I see many problem coins among his listings...
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 Posted 05/08/2019  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The wear on the obverse seems way out of sync with the reverse and the chain is way more prominent than the lettering. Big red flag but I am no expert on chains...although I have this deep rooted hankering for one that just won't go away. Still, I will wait for an expert to weight in.
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 Posted 05/08/2019  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In general, people with these stories tend to have bogus coins. It's classic for this seller to state
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A long-time collector volunteered his time to see that all coins are 100% Authentic guaranteed.


I stay clear of sellers with stories. I could care less where the coin came from, I care if it is authentic.
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 Posted 05/08/2019  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Sellers eBay feedback pretty much tells you all you need to know.
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 Posted 05/08/2019  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd only consider it if it came in a jar with some other questionable stuff. It goes without saying that I'd expect an authentic guarantee too.

That 200 year old safe contains some interesting items made in the last 15 minutes....looks like Liberty lost some weight and got a new hairdo...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1795-Flowi...AOSwwv1c0ngx
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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 Posted 05/08/2019  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree this is a good one to pass on.
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 Posted 05/08/2019  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thedockter aka 'Big Al' buys problem coins on Heritage, cracks them out and claims he found them in a pottery barn safe. If he doesn't sell them for more than he paid, he simply cancels the sale and relists:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/reeded-edg...nail-071515#

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1839-O-O-C...AOSwwXRchHRX
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 Posted 05/08/2019  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. I wonder if the chain is genuine then and came out of a slab from somewhere? Regardless, I wouldn't bid now anyhow, I try never to reward scammers.
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 Posted 05/08/2019  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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thedockter aka 'Big Al' buys problem coins on Heritage, cracks them out and claims he found them in a pottery barn safe. If he doesn't sell them for more than he paid, he simply cancels the sale and relists:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/reeded-edg...nail-071515#

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1839-O-O-C...AOSwwXRchHRX


So this pretty makes the guy a flat-out liar.

Here's the 1839-O pic from the HA auction.
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 Posted 05/08/2019  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"So this pretty makes the guy a flat-out liar."

And a cheat / scammer. You would think there would be a law against it, after all saying it came from somewhere it did not is fraudulent.
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 Posted 05/08/2019  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The Sellers eBay feedback pretty much tells you all you need to know.


? He has over 1000 sales w/ a 99.6% Positive rating. Sounds pretty good to me. Even if he is a liar, and the whole "safe" story is bogus, if he is cracking out coins from slabs then at least they are authentic, right?

Isn't the motto around here "buy the coin, not the ... whatever"?
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 Posted 05/08/2019  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That said, that chain cent is the strangest thing ever. Worn flat as a pancake obverse, and the perimeter of the reverse, but the chain itself is bold & sharp as can be. Maybe a chain expert can chime in here? I have always wanted one of these, will be watching the auction closely!
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 Posted 05/08/2019  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Isn't the motto around here "buy the coin, not the ... whatever"?"

Agreed, but if they are dishonest with one thing, they are likely dishonest period. In which case it may well be a fake.
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 Posted 05/08/2019  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin has an awful lot of wear on it in it's short life after sitting in a safe for 200 years . So that 1793 chain cent was obtained in 1819 or years before ,hoarded right away ,put into that safe and had that much wear on it in 26 years or less . Yeah Right ! Do the math .






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