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Why does the so called lamination show a fold over from the edge toward the center of the coin, if it is lamination?
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Lamination flaws/peels can fold over on themselves. This all looks like lams to me. Where there is one, expect others. @coop, here is a folded lam coming from the rim toward the center of the coin:  I regret selling that one, but such is life.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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An interesting piece regardless of whether it is a multi-lam or multi-struck through. Worth saving in a 2x2.
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Spruett001, that's one heck of a Lamination! Errers and Varietys.
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USSID18: Take note.
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On your coin you can see where the lam had been before flipping over. On the OP's coin there is no such area. The only conclusion is it is a foreign object. It looks like it is attached to the larger object making it a foreign object too.
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USSID18: Take note. Hmmmm, let me digest this. |
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On your coin you can see where the lam had been before flipping over. On the OP's coin there is no such area. Au contraire! OP's coin actually shows a lamination peel that folded from the field toward the rim and then folded back on itself. It is more difficult to see than my example because there are no letters involved and the shapes are irregular. I added a couple red arrows here to show the lines from which the peel broke before it was folded:  You can actually trace approximately where the peel came from by noting differences in texture, reflection and color in the field. It did not extend to Abe's face:  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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I think I understand what your explaining. Thank you for your guys' help!
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So... in conclusion this is a separate piece of metal that was struck through and resided on the coin? Sorry... just trying to understand.  didn't kick in this morning... lol |
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The area you describe is much larger that the area you circled. It extends down to the date, touching the top of the "9" and perhaps continues past it. If I were to pick a spot that looks like metal was removed from it it would be the area just north of the object in question. Trouble with that is it is too small.
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So...then conclusion this is a separate piece of metal that was struck through and resided on the coin? In my opinion, no. It is an original part of the coin that later released as a peel and was folded toward the rim. It was then folded back on itself at the rim. @DrDon Apparently, what I was trying to say/show did not translate. I don't know what else to do, but I do know that lamination flaws are not the easiest to grasp. I know some others who always want to call them retained die breaks. Without the coin in hand, I can't add anything.  Can you explain the jagged lines in the field that I pointed out in my first pic? They seem to match fairly well with a fold over, no? Of course, the original white arrow is blocking some of it on the lower side. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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but I do know that lamination flaws are not the easiest to grasp. Have you ever seen lamination on a 20ftx2inx.5in bar running from one end to the other? Quote:
Can you explain the jagged lines in the field that I pointed out in my first pic? The upper line is part of the area I mentioned earlier. Quote:
If I were to pick a spot that looks like metal was removed from it it would be the area just north of the object in question. The second points to something that looks more like a die gouge to me. Quote:
Of course, the original white arrow is blocking some of it on the lower side. I agree that photos without the arrows would be helpful. |
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Yes. Note that nothing is missing on the left side of the area in question, but a slight outline of where it was and now where is now.
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Have you ever seen lamination on a 20ftx2inx.5in bar running from one end to the other? Of course not (as much as that is relevant to this coin  ), but I have seen/owned many lams on coins of varying compositions. If this is a "struck through" error, then why is the extra material raised so much above the field? The press does a pretty good job of flattening anything it presses. I don't know how some copper flakes were spared. I suppose an accurate weight of it would help steer the investigation. OP? In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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