What Mintage Number Does To Price

I understand what you mean by there being no direct correlation between mintage and value. That is true of all coins both US and European coins. There are just too many different ones during the rule of a King in most European countries to collect. About the only thing collectible in some countries are the gold coins and they are usually the hammered ones. But there are coins from Kings that are highly collected as they weren't around very long and all their coins are country and not regional coins. This coin is one of those. Willem was only around for less than 5 years and his silver denominational coins are very collectible and sought after. I'm in Amsterdam now and it is easy to get a "read" from the dealers and collectors. So this coin is part of a set of real coins minted by a short-lived King and not some obscure strike. They were the circulating currency of the time.

I am not sure what you mean by NCGS making anything up. I don't think I said that and if I implied it, I am sorry. I don't know of anything they are making up.

Thanks again. Keep the help coming. I still need it.

Daryl

I really don't know anything here, but I'll offer an opinion based on other rarities and their arrived value.

If any collector item (coin, Navajo rug, Inuit mask, Babylonian codpiece, etc.) is so rare that a similar item hasn't come up to auction in years, they only way to determine value is to auction your item--in the most visible way possible, of course. Otherwise, an appraisal strikes me as an arbitrary opinion. You won't really know unless it's offered for sale to the right collectors. But that's just my opinion too--good luck on your coin.

Update: the coin was destroyed? I did not catch that the first time--my apologies.

Based on the dealer's offers, I think they will want to offer you 2000 euros.
So I would start by asking for 2x wholesale = 4000 euros.
If they really fuss, then fall back to 3500 euros.
If you have to, (only if you have to)
you can offer split the difference and settle at 3000 euros.

Guess you have to search for the right King. They probably searched for William of Orange and then William I as indicated by the link. Right dates, wrong King. The King of the Netherlands was Willem I, Frederik of the Netherlands (also Duke of Luxemburg) during this time. I think you are right about the value although the second one has some pitting issues.

Thanks,

Daryl

Would it be them? http://www.ncgsgrading.com/

I guess how much you should accept depends on what you're after here.

How much money would it take to replace the coin they damaged? I would accept that amount, or better yet, the same coin in the condition you presented it to them. I know, an extremely low mintage, with a very high grade. This is why I say take as much as it would cost you to replace the coin.

So Sad.
Sap had it right. I guess ya have to go around 1650 Euro's, that would be the minimum. As in all dealings -
with t360. Ask for 4000 but take anything more that 1650
OR
'have them replace with same or better
Good luck and let us know how it goes.

I did send it to NCS in Sarasota, Florida. I got my letters messed up. Should have said PCGS might do the grading. Sorry too many acronyms for my little brain. It was sent directly to the Numismatic Conservation Service (NCS) with instructions to conserve and authenticate. Based on how long that took, I was going to have to sent through the NCS system or wait and let my dealer back in the states send it to PCGS (that's where he sends his coins). I'm in Amsterdam now, the UK for all of October and I didn't want the coin following me around.

So anyway, I asked that the coin be returned to me if it took the full time to conserve and authenticate it. If time permitted and I they could get the coin graded and shipped in time, they could do that as well. As far as I know, it made the time deadline I gave them and it went all the way through the NCS system and was going to be shipped back before I left Amsterdam. So NCS is the one who broke the coin in the machine that slabs it. Last step and "snap."

So sorry for the confusion. Somehow NCGS got in my head rather than PCGS and I messed up. I was working off memory and got it a little messed up. Guess I was so upset that things didn't work too well.

Please accept my apology.

I think a fair price will be somewhere between what the dealer offered me and what it might bring at an auction. Coin values are all over the map when thy come up for auction and trying to nail that down is impossible. So more than the dealer and less than a wild auction and I'll be a happy camper.

Thanks for all the input I really do appreciate it. Guess you can see now why I said I needed all the help I could get.

Daryl