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1878 S Morgan Dollar Pl?

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 Posted 07/23/2019  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Only AU-58 in my book.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list
Alright, thanks.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
your new photos are overexposed. the light is obstructing the view of the surfaces and therefore I cant determine surface originality. try natural lighting and watch the glare. no flash. the coin can be anywhere between AU58 and MS64 and may or may not have been cleaned so that's a pretty wide range
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 Posted 07/23/2019  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list
So sorry for the bad pics. Still learning how to get better pics. I took these photos in natural light with no flash and unnatural light. Thanks for the help!
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 Posted 07/23/2019  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Still can't get a good feel for the surfaces - maybe others will disagree.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list
Sorry I can't get the pics right. I just can't seem to capture the details. Thanks for trying Coinfrog.
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Here are some more pictures. Hopefully these show the surfaces better. I tried to get it at an angle which seemed to help. Sorry for the persistence! Thanks for helping me out.
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 Posted 07/24/2019  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
using you latest photos I'm torn on whether this coin is a slider or true MS. the luster on the surfaces of both sides appears to be broken. the lower half of wings look flat and dull. this is a common date coin that is known for sharp strong strikes. this coin is below average for the year. the eye appeal I put at 5/10 due to the toning. either the coin was cleaned at some point or possibly incorrectly stored. I'm leaning towards AU58 even though the surfaces are fairly clean of any hairlines or minor scratches with the exception of right under the eye
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 Posted 07/24/2019  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list
Ok. Thanks for your input panzaldi. I do hope it isn't cleaned or artificially toned. I'm pretty sure the dullness of the wing and the missing luster is a problem with my pictures and the angle I took them at. I can't capture the surfaces without slanting my pictures. The mirror like fields are hard to work with for me. In hand, the strike seems full and sharp and my coin still has the cartwheel luster I see a lot of on the internet. Thanks for the help! I greatly appreciate it.
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 Posted 07/24/2019  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
Nice coin, and I think you did well at that purchase price.

On the obverse, there is a very slight touch of wear on the cap fold, second cotton blossom, hair above the ear, and big bear claw. On the reverse, there is a very slight touch of wear on the eagle's head, right wing tip (our visual left), right talons and leg, and breast. This coin is a slider, a solid AU-58 that is tantalizingly close to MS-60.

There is frost on the obverse and reverse devices, but not enough for PL designation. There are a few small bag marks, one west of the lips and a few on the reverse west and east of the lower wing feathers. There are a few SW-NE scuff marks on the cheek. The toning and cheek scuffs match what I have seen over the years from DANSCO album coins. I don't see evidence of any recent cleaning. It is possible that this coin was stored long ago in a paper 2x2 flip, which could explain some of the purple color. Back in my day, when dinosaurs roamed, some people used cotton or gauze pads to keep the paper from contacting the coin. That could explain the rectangular untoned patch on the reverse.

Old school grading: AU+ slider, semi-prooflike.

I can get you started on VAM attribution, but the photos are not clear enough to chase the more detailed markers. Your coin has the B2 reverse (short nock), with a broken fourth star and an unbroken "r" in TRUST.

Again, at $40, you did well on this coin. With the toning and SPL surfaces, I can see what attracted you to it.
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 Posted 07/24/2019  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list
Thanks for the great reply! Glad I did well. I also attributed it a while ago as VAM 33 on VAM world. I have a post about it in the VAM forum. Thanks for all the help!
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AU-58
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 Posted 07/24/2019  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list
Thanks for the grade!
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 Posted 07/25/2019  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
As someone who has had to photograph my fair share of Morgans to sell, I know how difficult it can be to get a true view. I really dont see anything screaming circulation. Though at AU-58, I would really need to see it in hand and look at the known wear points with a glass. I'll go MS 64, though with this year a TPG would downgrade it to an MS63. It does look semi proof like, and no surprise there, this is a year for many of these.
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 Posted 07/25/2019  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list
Thanks for the reply jmkendall. I appreciate your feedback! I agree it should be MS, but I'm in no way an expert so I just go with what you guys say.
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