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 Posted 07/22/2019  10:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Bought for $40. It's My first Morgan. Hoping it's a good buy and not cleaned. Thanks!

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 Posted 07/23/2019  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KaiserSoze to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a nice example of a date with many high grade coins around. Perhaps you could take pics of the raw coin that show more detail?
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 Posted 07/23/2019  07:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It certainly looks as though it could be PL.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree. Pics don't show surface detail well enough to grade.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry about the pics! My coin also has as light purple-like tone, and it's not as pronounced as it is in the pictures. Thanks for checking out my coin.
Here are some hopefully better pics. I find it extremely difficult to get pics of larger coins like this.

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 Posted 07/23/2019  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Only AU-58 in my book.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Alright, thanks.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
your new photos are overexposed. the light is obstructing the view of the surfaces and therefore I cant determine surface originality. try natural lighting and watch the glare. no flash. the coin can be anywhere between AU58 and MS64 and may or may not have been cleaned so that's a pretty wide range
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 Posted 07/23/2019  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So sorry for the bad pics. Still learning how to get better pics. I took these photos in natural light with no flash and unnatural light. Thanks for the help!

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1909 VDB DDO FS-1101-http://goccf.com/t/357327
1967 WQ SMS DDO FS-101-http://goccf.com/t/351558
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 Posted 07/23/2019  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still can't get a good feel for the surfaces - maybe others will disagree.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry I can't get the pics right. I just can't seem to capture the details. Thanks for trying Coinfrog.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some more pictures. Hopefully these show the surfaces better. I tried to get it at an angle which seemed to help. Sorry for the persistence! Thanks for helping me out.

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1967 WQ SMS DDO FS-101-http://goccf.com/t/351558
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 Posted 07/24/2019  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
using you latest photos I'm torn on whether this coin is a slider or true MS. the luster on the surfaces of both sides appears to be broken. the lower half of wings look flat and dull. this is a common date coin that is known for sharp strong strikes. this coin is below average for the year. the eye appeal I put at 5/10 due to the toning. either the coin was cleaned at some point or possibly incorrectly stored. I'm leaning towards AU58 even though the surfaces are fairly clean of any hairlines or minor scratches with the exception of right under the eye
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 Posted 07/24/2019  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. Thanks for your input panzaldi. I do hope it isn't cleaned or artificially toned. I'm pretty sure the dullness of the wing and the missing luster is a problem with my pictures and the angle I took them at. I can't capture the surfaces without slanting my pictures. The mirror like fields are hard to work with for me. In hand, the strike seems full and sharp and my coin still has the cartwheel luster I see a lot of on the internet. Thanks for the help! I greatly appreciate it.
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1909 VDB DDO FS-1101-http://goccf.com/t/357327
1967 WQ SMS DDO FS-101-http://goccf.com/t/351558
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07/24/2019 10:46 am
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 Posted 07/24/2019  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin, and I think you did well at that purchase price.

On the obverse, there is a very slight touch of wear on the cap fold, second cotton blossom, hair above the ear, and big bear claw. On the reverse, there is a very slight touch of wear on the eagle's head, right wing tip (our visual left), right talons and leg, and breast. This coin is a slider, a solid AU-58 that is tantalizingly close to MS-60.

There is frost on the obverse and reverse devices, but not enough for PL designation. There are a few small bag marks, one west of the lips and a few on the reverse west and east of the lower wing feathers. There are a few SW-NE scuff marks on the cheek. The toning and cheek scuffs match what I have seen over the years from DANSCO album coins. I don't see evidence of any recent cleaning. It is possible that this coin was stored long ago in a paper 2x2 flip, which could explain some of the purple color. Back in my day, when dinosaurs roamed, some people used cotton or gauze pads to keep the paper from contacting the coin. That could explain the rectangular untoned patch on the reverse.

Old school grading: AU+ slider, semi-prooflike.

I can get you started on VAM attribution, but the photos are not clear enough to chase the more detailed markers. Your coin has the B2 reverse (short nock), with a broken fourth star and an unbroken "r" in TRUST.

Again, at $40, you did well on this coin. With the toning and SPL surfaces, I can see what attracted you to it.
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 Posted 07/24/2019  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the great reply! Glad I did well. I also attributed it a while ago as VAM 33 on VAM world. I have a post about it in the VAM forum. Thanks for all the help!
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Best Cherrypicks-
1909 VDB DDO FS-1101-http://goccf.com/t/357327
1967 WQ SMS DDO FS-101-http://goccf.com/t/351558
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07/24/2019 11:25 am
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