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The Standards By Which We Sell Coins

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 Posted 09/12/2008  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list
I'd just like to add that the buyer has some obligatons as well...
If I buy something on ebay or this forum or anywhere else for that matter and I "didn't notice" part of the item description, why should the seller have to pay return shipping for my mistake?

Also, the buyer should always notify the seller when an item is received and note wether its in good condition or not.
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 Posted 09/12/2008  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I can now state that my problem with not receiving a coin after winning it on an ebay auction seems to be resolved...
Good to hear!
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09/12/2008 10:50 pm
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 Posted 09/12/2008  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list
Wow, there ARE other sections on CCF that are very interesting!.......hmmmmmm........need to remember that !....
This has been a very interesting discussion to read !
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 Posted 09/14/2008  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
I am glad that you posted this topic, Kurt. After I post this reply, I will be moving it to the Main Coin Forum. I think that you have brought up some very important issues with buying/selling coins over the internet and this topic will get more visibility in the Main Coin Forum. I don't want to put it in the Ebay/Auction section because this topic obviously deals with much more than that venue.

I have read all of your responses with interest since I sell quite a bit on ebay. (While I was hoping to have our internet store open by now, I'm having problems with it interfacing with Paypal properly, so I can't open it yet.)

While I find most of the points brought up so far to be common sense, I understand that there are people who don't see it that way. The main issue in question, as far as I can determine, would be, "who is responsible for shipping and fees in the event of a return?"

Here is how we handle this issue. Please feel free to criticize. Input from the members here and our customers is how we determine any improvements to our service. First of all, in my opinion, there is never a reason to charge a "restocking" fee. If an item is returned even with no reason given, there is no reason to charge that customer for the privilege of being able to see the items in-hand. Generally, what I have found is that charging a "restocking" fee enables ebay sellers to be able to make money on a coin numerous times, even if the coin doesn't sell. Therefore, I never buy from someone who charges a restocking fee unless I am certain that I will be keeping the coin regardless.

Second of all, if an item is returned, your customer was not satisfied for one reason or another. With very few exceptions, again in my opinion, shipping charges should be absorbed by the seller. Now, I have just recently accepted a return that I do not plan on reimbursing the buyer for return shipping, but the shipping was higher because it was a larger lot of items and I would have difficulty breaking even with this return when I go to resell it. Also, there was no problem with the items, the buyer simply didn't realize the type of packaging.

This circumstance aside, I have had approximately 15 returns in the past 6 years - most of which were due to buyer's remorse on ebay. In all instances but 3, I have assumed the cost for shipping both ways once the item was received back. I'd rather assume a $5 charge than upset a customer.

Now, as far as having a return policy, there are some auctions where I can see where this could be a problem. If you take a look at the featured auction, you will see our holiday kick-off auction. There really is no way to safeguard against bait-and-switch if someone were to choose to return this. After a lot of careful consideration, I decided to accept returns on this auction and hope that this is not a mistake. Sometimes, it is difficult to bank on honesty in people. However, I do not want anyone to feel that this collection is not being represented fairly, so the only way to ensure that belief is to offer a return on it. Also, since shipping is free, the buyer would have to pay the return shipping charges, since shipping on this auction is going to cost upwards of $100 for us. I am curious to know what you all feel about this particular situation. I have never listed a large collection in this way before, so I would like to know what you all expect from an item like this one.

As far as listing items here on CCF and than moving them to ebay. I have done that many times. I always end the item here first, but I don't see any problems with offering something to our members first and then moving it to another selling venue. However, I do not condone listing something here and elsewhere concurrently.
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 Posted 09/14/2008  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
Thanks Susanlynn for your input and redirection of the topic.
After reading everyone's input on returns, this seems to be a tricky issue that's best addressed on a per-case basis. I'm lucky to have a group of satisfied buyers--thanks everyone!
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 Posted 09/14/2008  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Lots of good ideas here. However, I've never sold a coin nor purchased one via mail so none apply. I've given many coins away so returns just don't apply hopefully. On coins I've given away via mail I paid for the postage also so none of that applies either.
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 Posted 09/17/2008  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I don't consider slabbed coins somehow exempt from returns--what's up with that? LOL.

Thewhole point of slobbed coins is that they can be traded sight unseen, having been certified as to grade and authenticity.

If that's not the case, then why bother slobbing them?
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 Posted 09/17/2008  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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When someone returns a coin they have to pay the return shipping as well as the shipping in the first place? That doesn't sound right to me.

If you buy something in a store and decide to return it, do they pay your gas and time? Why should coins be any different?
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 Posted 09/17/2008  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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There's a growing pattern here that does not match his 100% positive rating on ebay, and I don't like it.

There's an interesting phenomenom over at the ebay "community". If someone has good FB, then starts messing with people, none of them want to be the first to leave bad FB. They hold off, thinking they're the exception and things will work out.

Once the first neg is left, a bunch more will follow in a very short time. These may be transactions from over a month, but suddenly a bunch of bad FB gets left in a day or so.
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 Posted 09/18/2008  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deadmunny to your friends list

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If a forum member has a "for sale" listing in the B/S/T section here, it absolutely should not be concurrently listed on ebay.


You are almost correct. It could be listed on ebay as "Buy it now" ONLY (not for auction) and on other coin forums as "for sale".
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 Posted 09/18/2008  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list


This is no different than putting a classified ad in several newspapers at one time, which I did when I sold my previous car.

However, since CCF is rather special, I would encourage someone to add a note to the sale offer that the coin is being posted on other "B/S/T" forums.
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09/18/2008 10:49 am
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 Posted 09/18/2008  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list
This is a great example of how NOT to sell a coin. Note the description of an uncirculated coin, and the have a look at the grade written on the 2x2.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...B:SS:AU:1123
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 Posted 09/18/2008  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
Yeah, no kidding...if that's UNC, where are the feathers on the Emu's back?
It's not a good enough photo to assign a grade, other than suspect it's possibly cleaned.
Do I see some remnants of cleaning paste under the bust and in IMP?
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09/19/2008 02:26 am
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 Posted 09/19/2008  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
"but you can read everything on it!" (that hasn't worn off)

I like when they have an Indian cent and you ask them how many letters in liberty are visible on the headband.

Liberty? Headband?
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 Posted 09/19/2008  03:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list
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