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But you are always going to have measurement discrepencies ... just the same as the difference between a crisp new struck coin and one that is either worn or there is die deterioration/wear. As either the coin or the working die wears, the letters & digits get fatter/broader.
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What hound dog Bill is saying is that a coins design will always get stretched out depending on hubbing and die wear/the sequence the coin is struck. Do the same measurements to a1937 dime and a 1969. I'm not disputing what you're doing, it's helpful, but doesn't take into account die expansion.
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As DBM, Alan and I are trying to explain .. what you have confusingly shown has nothing to do with any variety, except the spacing of the final 9. Your "was built by a bundle of computer engineers from the university" certainly do not know or understand what an actual VARIETY in numismatics actually is. We have provided reference after reference to you about what is a variety vs an error and also a variety vs normal die/coin wear. This whole thread should be about Hounddog's initial concern ... the size/font of the 5 of the denomination, but has drifted to your inaccurate methodology of ID'ing varieties.
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Royal Mint report from 1899 says 49 obverse and 19 reverse dies were used.3 different reverse matrix rf 2 rf 7 and rf 8 were used.6 common varieties are normal date, large o in Victoria high 99,wide 89 , wide and high 99,double punch and wide 99. Vic
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Well, if there were 19 Reverse dies made, then handpunching the final 9 would result in 19 specific placements for the 9 and wide/narrow/kinda normal full date widths.
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Blow up pictures of the fives, they look different to me so what do you think is this not a variety? Cheers, Bill   |
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Those are definitely different fonts Hounddog... good eye!!
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Yes, I think that it's a different variety as well.
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Hounddog Bill I did and overlay of your coins. what I found out quickly. your coins was photographed separately . once I realized that. using my overlay program. I populated your coin images. so that they are the exact same size. you have a wide date with out a doult. spp ottawa knows how to do overlays. this is not wrong here is the image.  |
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I can't say I understand just what your doing rocky but I appreciate your time and effort.
Not sure how it effects your overlay but the coins were photographed together.
Thanks again!
Cheers, Bill
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Hounddog Bill it must be when I separated them. any way you have a wide date and narrow date. the overlay proves that without a doult. you have a very nice variety there you have a great one Hounddog Bill. ps those are out standing pictures. I like how you got them perfectly aligned. even in the overlay. I could see the differences in the tops on the number 5. well done
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Rocky .... There will be nothing like a "wide and narrow date". The last digit was handpunched into the working die, so you will have very close, close, kinda close, normal, kinds wide, wide, very wide, and very very wide, let alone the highs, lows, or rotated slightly CW or CCW. As I said above, a handpunched final digit will have as many intricate spacings as there were working dies.
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okiecoiner thank you I understand that. yes you are right. okiecoiner I found some marking on silver dollars. basicly they are like fins. okiecoiner would you mine if I posted some images later on. I would like to know your thoughts on these fins. I was thinking it would have been caused by the punch. thats when you come to my mind. would you be interested in helping. you would proably learn us all something. the fins are on one letter.
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You are better off looking for an "error" person to chime in. I'm a variety collector, but know many Error collectors .. they should set you straight.
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