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Can Just A Couple Obsessive Collectors Drive Prices Up In Particular Areas?

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 Posted 09/29/2019  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
I agree with @basebal21.
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 Posted 09/29/2019  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list

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I have been lowball bidding ...
Is it possible for just a few to a handful of collectors like myself could have driven prices up


Maybe I am missing something, but I find a non sequitir in the premise.
How can lowball bidding drive prices UP?
I thought the idea of LOWBALL bidding is to win something at a price BELOW what the current market price is perceived to be?


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 Posted 09/29/2019  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
I voted for the 3rd possibility . There are probably a couple of million collectors out there world wide . I would say it's because of supply and demand .
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 Posted 09/29/2019  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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There are probably a couple of million collectors out there world wide .


There's far far far more than that.
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 Posted 09/29/2019  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list

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I would say it's because of supply and demand


But I think that's what the OP is asking. He's asking if it's possible for the demand from just a few collectors in a small niche to have an effect. I would say yes, but not if they are "lowball" bidders.
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 Posted 09/30/2019  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list
It is certainly possible in a small niche category.
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 Posted 09/30/2019  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
To many people on Earth to have large effects on that.
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There's far far far more than that.

I wonder how we can find out just how many there are of the whole spectrum of Numismatics in the U.S. and world ?
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 Posted 09/30/2019  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Yes it can and does happen. How much of an impact it has depends on how scare the things in question are.
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 Posted 09/30/2019  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
I think so as long as the collectors have deep pockets.
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 Posted 09/30/2019  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Thanks all.
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 Posted 10/01/2019  02:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
It's probably too complicated of an issue for a straightforward answer, but I believe so.

Probably the only area I can speak authoritatively are on Indo Sassanian coins like my avatar. Probably 90% of the time, the market is highly predictable; certain types go for $1-3 at auction, most go for about $10, and a handful regularly hit about $25. I can always tell when I am bidding against one of the few other serious bidders when a $25 bid doesn't win my target coin. In a rare few cases, I have seen coins hit $75-100 that would be $15 coins any other week. Usually once that happens I have to wait on the few serious bidders to drop back out, otherwise I'll blow my budget on 1/3 as many coins as normal. A few examples:

A common coin, but with an unusually exaggerated portrait. Had at least one serious bidder against me; won this one for $56, the most I've ever paid for the type
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This is a much rarer type (A transitional coin from the above to my avatar - known from just a handful of specimens) bought during a slow week without any serious competition for $6
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In a more long-term sense, both shifting cultural awareness and new demographics becoming the rich and powerful has also had a significant impact on many areas. For example:
- After the movie Gladiator, coins of Marcus Aurelius and Commodus surged, especially for the most high grade and choice specimens.
- As India gets richer, some early rarities have come to be in great demand, particularly ancient Kushan and Gupta gold coins (Previously sold at about melt, now sell for several $$$$-$$$$$) and early (50s/60s) mint sets, previously bargain bin items, but now selling for thousands.
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 Posted 10/01/2019  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Finn, I think you understood exactly what I intended to question in this thread.
I appreciate all the votes and responses. Yes there are a ba-zillion collectors out there but in specific areas, there might be only a small number at a given time. I actually believe daily searches and numerous bids daily (although low) on many "good buys" on my part has influenced the micro market of some medals I have interest in.
I do not only bid low-ball. On some I will bid to win but many others I have won at low bids.
The prices definately have risen and I know a few others who collect similar medals as I may also be having an effect.
Now, this could go the other way in the future. If the smaller group of bidders in our area of interest would stall in chasing down these similar items in a specific area, I do think the prices may drop somewhat over an extended period of time.
I am absolutely sure I have no effect at all in the numismatic market as a whole on the other hand.
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 Posted 10/02/2019  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list
I agree with the last two posts, but I think it takes more than "a couple" of collectors as in the title of the thread. More like at least a handful.

My reasoning: If it is just a couple of collectors, then you only have a bidding war once on any given item. The next time it comes up, there is no competition (because the other collector already has the item), and the price drops back down.

If there are items that only come up for auction once or twice per year, and a handful of collectors want it, then I think you have a situation where competition can drive the price up for some time. I, too, have seen this on a few coins where I searched various archives for the selling price history over the last few years, but when I bid recently, the auctions ended around double what I had expected.
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 Posted 10/02/2019  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list
I see it all the time at our local estate auctions with a handful of the same bidders fighting it out for a limited number of items. Creates a micro-market where things sell for multiples of what they would elsewhere.
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