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 Posted 11/11/2019  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Very nice find.
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 Posted 11/11/2019  05:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Joe, any chance of you adding a couple pics of the edge of your piece?
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 Posted 11/11/2019  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list

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.flan shape, some of the flaws, etc. seem pretty darn close...


Amazingly so. Hard to imagine any explanation but one for two identically flawed planchets? And I do think I see some vestiges of that missing letter in the exergue
Great detective work (as always).
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 Posted 11/11/2019  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Badger Mint to your friends list
Looks to be a cast copy from the pictured host coin.You can see that the two halves of the mold were out of alignment when the fake was made, especially at 3 to 5 o'clock in the second picture. Sorry, but not ancient, not rare, and not valuable.
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 Posted 11/11/2019  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kosednar to your friends list
Better pictures;

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 Posted 11/11/2019  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kosednar to your friends list
I have a question.

If the 3-6 o'clock of the second picture looks like additional material as an indication of a mis-registration then why does the 6-9 o'clock view of the first picture also show additional material?

Could the panchet be overweight?
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 Posted 11/11/2019  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list

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If the 3-6 o'clock of the second picture looks like additional material as an indication of a mis-registration then why does the 6-9 o'clock view of the first picture also show additional material?


Clear edge pics (i.e taken of the side of the coin rather than top down) would help us to confirm what you have, although as @badgermint points out, that region of the rim seems odd if this is a real coin. On the coin that @bobl posted, there doesn't seem to be the same extra metal present.



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Could the panchet be overweight?


Nothing is impossible, but a worn flan with a chunk missing should be underweight, right? Perhaps you can post the weight of this piece so that we have this for comparison?
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 Posted 11/11/2019  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kosednar to your friends list
My daughter is a photographer but she is very busy and took these pictures at home without her good gear. She said she would try tomorrow in her studio.

The coin weights 62g.

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 Posted 11/11/2019  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kosednar to your friends list
Ooops 6.2g
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Scale might not be accurate
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 Posted 11/11/2019  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
With the better pictures I have to change my first comment and agreed it's a copy. There is a prominent line on the edge which would indicate a casting. The two spurs are not a good sign IMO also.
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 Posted 11/11/2019  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
about this being a copy - it matches the Roma specimen enough to either be fake or the same coin, and I don't think they match sufficiently to be the same coin.

The edge line, obviously, doesn't help either.
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 Posted 11/12/2019  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kosednar to your friends list
Thanks for everybody's help.

I'm still interested in this coin because as for as I can see it was struck/cast from the same die as the known authentic coin.

I checked with NGC and they said they would accept this coin for grading. I'm checking with NGC to find out how to go about grading.

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 Posted 11/12/2019  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Ok good to know. If you can, please follow up with us here on this thread when you get a NGC's opinion. Thx!
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Spence - Will do.
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