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ATB Coins With Mule Characteristics

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 Posted 01/03/2020  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
I do not appreciate the personal attacks on me. That is not what this forum is for. I call them as I see them, period. And I will continue to do so.
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 Posted 01/03/2020  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cats to your friends list
Now after looking at these pictures for a while I can see a raised edge of A. Could be my imagination but there is something there. What is it or how it have gotten there - no clue. Posting a picture of an entire coin might help.
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 Posted 01/03/2020  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
merclover, its fine that you call them how you see them, just know what you're talking about when you call them.
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 Posted 01/04/2020  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcassity to your friends list
i am going to trade up or down and all around everywhich way possible the lighting aspects to see if I can defeat the internets typical way of intruding on my pixels!

also,, I will attempt a high quality photo and slide it over to a cloud location like drop box... meaning that you the members here can just click and open... without any need to be hampered with login stuff.

stand by....

Merc,, can you help me judge this,,, reason I ask is you offer a great perspective on sketisism and that does have its advantages in order to me to not mis-represnt the characteristics of the things I se ein person.?

i do highly appreciate everyones patience entertaining this seemingly fairy tale thread.

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 Posted 01/04/2020  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
Jcassity, in all seriousness to your questions concerning you ATB coin. I cannot find a single clad quarter that would have the type of lettering in which you are seeing. Keep in mind that what you are thinking is that it may be recycled, if this scenario were even a remote possibility the US mint would have to do this one at a time to make sure the obverse dies lined up with the coin to be struck. Now, what happens to the reverse? Surely the reverse has a design that would have to be obliterated and a new design take its place. In all fairness it's either one of three things you're seeing, either very well placed dings on your quarter mimicking something resembling letters or die dents doing the same thing or a clash. Those to me are the only three logical explanations for what you're seeing.
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 Posted 01/04/2020  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
Nice closeup images but it is usually helpful to add full shots of the obv. & rev for context.

Looking at the die flow lines on these images, yours appears to be a later die state coin which can affect the surface of the die.

I hope you don't mind but I took your image, rotated it and added a yellow line that looks like an incuse line parallel to the left side of the "A".

a)Hard to tell if this might be on the die or just a contact mark that may have pushed up the metal in this area.

b)Caustic/acidic substances sitting on the surface of a coin can create an uneven pattern as it dissolves the metal.
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c)Incuse designs on other coins can cause raised elements to appear.
(This next image shows a Lincoln Cent I found with some raised letters and designs that is most likely PSD from a foreign coin or token.)

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 Posted 01/04/2020  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcassity to your friends list
ok,, three pics coming in now,, as you asked for.

i had to do dual lights in order to get the full on pic of the rev/obv.

hopefully this helps on your thoughts...

i was able to easily rotate a little more in a way to reveal the upsidedown letter "A" if this helps you any.

Keep in min that directly to the right and rotated CW just slightly is the begining image of a "W" which I am calling an upsidedown capital letter "M",, since its shape resides next to an upsidedown letter A,,, and we typically find the letter A and M side by side in america... and within a predetermined radius typcially favoring convex in shape


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 Posted 01/05/2020  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcassity to your friends list
anyone with thoughts on this newer pics?
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 Posted 01/05/2020  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
If it is raised above the coin it could be a die gouge, if it is incuse definitely damaged.
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 Posted 01/05/2020  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcassity to your friends list
definatly raised,, my dial indicator only lets me rear 4 places to the right of the decimal when I laid it out and tried to measure I can see a needle defliction decrease but its not anything more than guessable with the machine tools I have
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 Posted 01/07/2020  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcassity to your friends list
much appreciated everyone,,, I need to figure out how to restrain myself from looking at this type of stuff too much,,, thank you all very much!

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 Posted 05/17/2020  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinmaster111 to your friends list
Do yo. Still have this quarter?
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 Posted 05/17/2020  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list
It's just a damaged coin, coinmaster111.
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 Posted 05/17/2020  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Do you know what a mule coin is? It is a miss match of a wrong obverse from another series of denomination opposite the normal design. A few examples:
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This one was declared not a legit coin:
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Most of the time they are on a single coin, because someone is playing around at the mint. (Stuff that can get them fired and put in jail for) other times there are several of these all created by the same prankster at the mint. But that is what a mule coin is.
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