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Jefferson Took One On The Chin!

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 Posted 03/09/2020  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobO411 to your friends list
I agree. Both sides of the coin would help. Jbuck I'm new to the Community I have a question. When a coin gets moved to the appropriate forum. As a newbie how do we find out where it went? If Jbuck isn't able to read this could maybe someone else help? Thank you.
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 Posted 03/09/2020  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
has the look of a lamination error
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 Posted 03/09/2020  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list

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When a coin gets moved to the appropriate forum. As a newbie how do we find out where it went?


Hopefully, it is moved to the correct place within CCF. If you are the OP, you should get a notice of where it went. If you are a previous responder, then you could look to your own previous comments to track it down. Otherwise, you will need to use the CCF search function in the upper left hand corner of your screen. Facilitating searches is one reason why we try to be fastidious about including the date, mintmark, and denomination in all thread titles.
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 Posted 03/09/2020  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CherryPicker1 to your friends list
You can see the damage in the same area on the reverse. I say PMD, not an error.
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 Posted 03/10/2020  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobO411 to your friends list
Thank you Spence
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 Posted 03/10/2020  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aceinthehole1 to your friends list
Thanks to everyone! I am providing the reverse for reference here in the original post.
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 Posted 03/10/2020  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I don't know enough about errors to say but the reverse picture will get you the correct info from a more knowledgable member or three. Thanks for posting it.
I am interested in the answer as well.
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 Posted 03/10/2020  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
if the planchet has delammed before the strike, I would expect something like this obv/rev combo to be the result
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 Posted 03/11/2020  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aceinthehole1 to your friends list
So it is either PMD or a lamination error? I can try better photos if anyone thinks it would help. I don't know if I have shown the "I" well enough in the attached photos, but it seems like the letter was moved from "In God..." to a position below the portrait. I don't understand PMD well enough to explain how these transfers moved across the coin. How does this happen? I am guessing that the value in a lamination error depends on the buyer if it turns out to be one. I am learning here, so bear with me while I try to understand this..
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 Posted 03/11/2020  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list
I see 3 distinct areas of damage to the coin - the jaw, the collar and the rim.

The jaw looks strongly like a lamination error as I don't see any signs of physical impact or scratches and no uplifted metal around the edges. It looks as if the jaw portion flipped down at some point in time.

I'd like to see better pictures of the collar and the rim to see if there are any signs of impact to either, but from what I do see of the collar I'm leaning to lamination here as well.

I do see something below the W of "WE" that looks like a piece of a lamination error possibly coming inward from the rim.

My vote would be for a lamination error to the jaw with better pictures of the collar and rim needed. Still possible it's both PMD and error.
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 Posted 03/12/2020  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aceinthehole1 to your friends list
I am sending a lot of photos for review. I hope this helps. Thanks to everyone for taking a look!
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 Posted 03/14/2020  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aceinthehole1 to your friends list
Just checking in.... Anyone able to do anything with all of these new pics?
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 Posted 03/14/2020  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Now I think I see there are generally two areas that are recessed and two raised areas. I think they are mirror images of each other so I think parts of a lamination situation has caused the recessed areas to become the raised areas after they flipped over to another area.

Having extra thickness then in those areas, then being struck, caused the lack of detail in the area closer to the rim. I think this is not PMD but a real dramatic lamination error.
That's my guess. Not an error expert, but the raised shapes look like they match the holes.
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 Posted 03/14/2020  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list
Looks like a Retained Lamination
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 Posted 03/15/2020  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aceinthehole1 to your friends list
Thanks everyone! Keith, images of retained lamination error look really similar to what I am seeing. It is very severe compared to most of the samples I have seen, so I think it is worth hanging on to.
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