1882 CC Odd VAM

1882-CC VAM-2C Doubled 882, Break Cap Back, Doubled Lip Counter Clash

HIT LIST 40 MORGAN VAM


2C III22 · C3b (Doubled 882, Break Cap Back, Doubled Lip Counter Clash) (177) I-3 R-6
Obverse III22- Clashed die that has been polished as in VAM 2B. Further clashing with slight die rotation that produced one or two curved clashed lines at top of left and right wreaths. Single curved clash line shows doubled upper lip from counter clash and double curved clash line also shows small die break at back of Phrygian cap from die clashing.

I also see on the reverse at the top of the right wing an incused appearing line going up from the wing to the word in.I am not sure because there are some things on your coin that are known and attributed to that year coin, and there are things on your coin that are not attributed to your coin. As far as VAMWORLD AND THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF PEACE AND Morgan dollars, 4TH EDITION, AND MY EXPERIENCE. LETS SEE WHAT MORGANSRMINE comes up with!!

VAMit, I'm sticking with my VAM 2 assessment. 1. I just don't see the die break on the back of the bonnet. 2. Under the first 8 in date, I believe I see the remnents of a misplaced digit. This only occurs on Vams 2 & 2A. This has been removed by polishing on later die states of 2B & 2C. Would like to see close up of date, back of bonnet above ribbon and first 3 stars after date. The VAM 2 is know for roughness around the reverse legend letters from poor polishing. That was my first tip from your origial pictures.

if it is missing any attributes that are described then chances are its the same number with just a letter behind it, but sometimes its a whole different VAM. Usually (can't say at all times because people do make mistakes)the only attributes that are listed are the ones that has to be present to be that specific VAM, it can have extra attributes (like slight clashing) but can't be missing any

Hello,
First I would like to thank everyone for there time looking at this one and there knowledge. I can tell I have a lot to learn but very excited to soak up anything you guy have to say.

Ok so I just got a new camera so I could take some good pictures. Funny thing is, this camera has found things I didnt see at first! I think I have located the small clashing in the neck vee, you can catch a glimps of it in the picture of the rear of the bonnet. Please let me know if I am off. Also a little farther down, more clashing?


MorgansRmine, here is another one for you, the date and right stars. The polishing marks around the stars did not come out as well as I hoped but they are definatly there as well as the line beneeth the 8


And here is a better one of the CC mintmark


NGiles, Here is a picture of the top of the reverse




And the last one I just thought was cool, it is actually my lighting mistake, but a neat picture none the less.



I have taken about 50 pictures of this coin so if you would like to see another area just let me know!

Again THANK YOU everyone! I promise my other 1882CC is a way easier one to point out! Battery charging, pictures of that one soon.
-Zac

MorgansRmine, do you think it could be a really early VAM-2C?
Vamworld writes...

"An earlier stage of the VAM 2C is also known. This example was attributed by Leroy Van Allen 25 Oct 2006
Note that the break at the back of the cap is not yet formed, only a faint crack is visible. Liberty's upper lip is counterclashed.
This example has no hint of mirrored surface, unlike the later stage pictured above, also note that the later stage appears to have an additional clashmark from the back of the cap. During the lifespan of the VAM 2 marriage, the dies clashed at least 4 times and were repolished at least twice. An interesting study in die progression that may yield several more reported stages."

It does have additional clashing behind the cap but no break yet. It also has the die chip numbers, the only thing that gets me is it has the line below the 8 and the CC mintmark is filled.
Another big question I have is the large marks across the A in STATES. Could this be clashed neck point? It is in the perfect location. Hard to see even with 20x loupe, but looks shattered almost flaky... a stummper.

Thank you MorgansRmine for helping me with this,
Zac

VAMit, 2C is not possible since the remnents of the misplaced 1 is still present under the 8 and polishing lines are present around the first 3 stars. The best we can hope for is a new discovery coin. Can I see a close up of the lip area and the front neck line ? Yes, that is clashing from the neck point on the reverse A.

All good things must come to an end. I can clearly see the clashed N from In God We Trust under the Wing clash on the neck line.
VAM 2A. Interest 5, rarity 5, nice "Hit 40" coin.

I concur, Your 1882-CC is VAM 2. It is a hot list 40 coin. A lot of VAM information and pictures are available at https://www.vamworld.com