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Red Book, Blue Book, Grey Sheet, CDN, NGC, PCGS Price Guides .. Confused?

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 Posted 05/04/2020  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list

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what do they base their pricing on,



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Where are those prices coming from, what are they based on?


I don't know and I don't care. And even if they told us, I wouldn't believe them.
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 Posted 05/04/2020  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blind Squirrel to your friends list
it's a best guess on current trends, and none of us has a crystal ball that truly can see the future. You are wise to buy silver though, as it always has value.

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 Posted 05/04/2020  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list
ebay is the market, unless you are talking high price coins.

ebay sold items search is my marker for current coin values.

1924-S Peace dollar AU-50
Median price $88, Range $78-98, n=2

AU-55
Median Price $103, Range $95-115, n=9
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 Posted 05/04/2020  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list

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I don't know and I don't care. And even if they told us, I wouldn't believe them.


Agreed.

Since ebay is what people are currently paying for a coin - checking sold items is likely about the best way to get a good idea of market trends. I know od dealers who do this very thing as well.

The Red Book, though it has been around forever, always has been too high in its listed prices and are supposed to be what you would expect to spend to acquire the coin. Since the Red Book, and other printed books, are only printed once a year, they have to come up with as best a guess as they can as to what will happen during the year.

The Gray sheet comes out monthly, hence dealers like it. But when you talk with dealers, you will find a lot wisely use the Gray Sheet as a guide and not Gospel.

You can check heritage auctions for more expensive sold items as well.


As far as places like PCGS and NGC, refer to the following and find some facts which show they are not as bulletproof as their marketers want people to think. Their own product/data shows someone putting faith in these companies as THE standard/authorities of the coin hobby should make sure they have taken time to do some legitimate research/evaluation.

http://goccf.com/t/346174#2967242

http://goccf.com/t/130186
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 Posted 05/05/2020  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list
Movement in precious metals pricing is also a reason why the other databases will not be accurate, but ebay will be (i.e. ebay is "real time" and there will always be a lag in those other sources).
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 Posted 05/05/2020  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jafo50 to your friends list
ebay sold pricing is what you should use as a guide for pricing. The current CDN price for an AU50 1924 S Peace dollar is $60 so I'm not sure where you got the $81 figure.
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 Posted 05/05/2020  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list

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Maybe I'm just being cheap but $18 a month for the Grey Sheet seems steep for a part time low value coin hobby collector.

I totally agree.

If you want a good idea of what to pay for raw, low value coins, look a the results on ebay.
And remember, not what the seller is asking but what the coins actually sold for.
Just use the ADVANCED option.
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 Posted 05/05/2020  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KauaiHawaiiGuy to your friends list

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The current CDN price for an AU50 1924 S Peace dollar is $60 so I'm not sure where you got the $81 figure.

https://www.greysheet.com/coin-pric...entryid=7903

I got it from here, where did you see the $60 value?

P.S. I see that there is a Lowes tracking cookie block that comes up on my laptop when I click the link, maybe not on yours, but if it does, just give it a temporary OK to get it to go to the CDN site where my $81 comes from.
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https://www.greysheet.com/coin-pric...entryid=7903

I got it from here, where did you see the $60 value?


P.S. I see that there is a Lowes tracking cookie block that comes up on my laptop when I click the link, maybe not on yours, but if it does, just give it a temporary OK to get it to go to the CDN site where my $81 comes from.



The column that you're looking at is the retail price according to CDN. The greyed out column in the middle is the Greysheet price which you referenced in your original post. That being said I think the ebay SOLD pricing is a good barometer to the fair market value for a coin.
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 Posted 05/05/2020  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CitationSquirrel to your friends list
Pricing has always been a pain in my opinion.

FWIW, here is what I do:

I buy a single greysheet every year. This gives me a good general idea of wholesale prices. I also have a RedBook (I might buy one every five or ten years). It gives me a general idea on what full-blown retail is. The real price is somewhere in between. If I'm still really interested, I may look at ebay auction results. I occasionally look at PCGS. I then take all those numbers and make an education determination as to what I feel a good price range is.

Of course, by the time I do all that, the coin is gone and I get to do it all over again with the next coin I like.
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 Posted 05/05/2020  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KauaiHawaiiGuy to your friends list

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The column that you're looking at is the retail price according to CDN. The greyed out column in the middle is the Greysheet price which you referenced in your original post.

Well there's the answer to our two different prices. As I said in my original post that I thought $18 a month was a bit steep for a hobby collector, and therefore I am unable to see the grey sheet wholesale column whereas you must be subscribed to grey sheet.
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 Posted 05/05/2020  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KauaiHawaiiGuy to your friends list

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I buy a single greysheet every year.

That's a great idea, one time a year seems reasonable for a hobby collector. CitationSquirrel, is any particular month better than another, or does it just not matter?
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I primarily use NumisMedia and past sales on ebay. I will also reference the PCGS price guide when buying the slabbed Ikes.
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 Posted 05/05/2020  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CitationSquirrel to your friends list
I haven't found one month to be better than another. Sometimes certain months highlight certain things, but if you just want your various basic coins, I haven't come across anything special yet. My last copy was purchased in May of 2019, so I'm thinking I'll probably get my next one some time this summer.
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 Posted 05/05/2020  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jafo50 to your friends list

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The column that you're looking at is the retail price according to CDN. The greyed out column in the middle is the Greysheet price which you referenced in your original post.

Well there's the answer to our two different prices. As I said in my original post that I thought $18 a month was a bit steep for a hobby collector, and therefore I am unable to see the grey sheet wholesale column whereas you must be subscribed to grey sheet.


I agree that it's expensive and buying one copy during the year would be sufficient especially if you're not a dealer which I'm not. CDN was running a special last fall and I bought the digital version for one year. I don't remember the price but I doubt if I'll renew once my subscription runs out. It's somewhat inconvenient since it' digital only but it was much cheaper then the paper version. You get what you pay for.
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