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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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They look perfectly genuine to me, and twopences rather than pennies at 57g each. They are surprisingly common in the UK - they were only made for one year and a lot were put aside as souvenirs or for use as weights (exactly 2 ounces). The penny is actually scarcer in good condition as that circulated until 1860 and so got a lot more wear. Yours are fairly typical above average condition. They do turn up much more worn or with massive bruises on the edges. (Being copper and heavy they damage easily when dropped.) In the UK I would expect to pick them up for £5 to £10. Here is mine for comparison:  
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Being an Aussie I'm am by no means an expert when it comes to your cartwheel pennies but I am surprised as I've never seen them before such undefined lettering e.g. 
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
190 Posts |
Yes they are Twopences and real.An easy indicator to tell from a picture is on the Twopence the middle trident prong points to the N and on the penny to a gap.
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Valued Member
Canada
153 Posts |
I cant tell 100% from your pictures but the S does look a little strange to me as well.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
735 Posts |
Ignore these doubts, they're genuine. You don't get digs and verdigris on coins struck yesterday. Any Brit collector can spot faked cartwheels at 100 paces.
Edited by Hogarth 05/26/2020 03:47 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: .In the UK I would expect to pick them up for £5 to £10. Here is mine for comparison: You got that for 15 quid?! 
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
945 Posts |
Quote: "In the UK I would expect to pick them up for £5 to £10. Here is mine for comparison:
You got that for 15 quid?! "
Actually no - I paid £30 for that one a few years back, but still a pretty good deal I think. Ought to make £60+ in the UK now, probably even more in the US.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Yes, at £30, there's certainly decent profit to be had Paddy. It's a nice example, and free of the edge knocks so often seen on cartwheels.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Ah yes, but that one is MY one! 
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
735 Posts |
Here's mine.  
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1365 Posts |
As I stated previously, I'm definitely no expert when it comes to your cartwheel pennies but I'm wondering is this a coin that has been readily faked in the past ... and if yes, what are the tell tail signs?
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Edited by zookeeperz 06/03/2020 10:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1333 Posts |
i believe the hardest for newbies to ID is the re-strikes of these coins however most mints will try not to restrike them on copper or brass, so that most collectors know that its just a re-striked (proofs that are actually from the 18th century are rare and expensive).
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I thought maybe these two pics of my for sure 100% authentic coin may assist you in verifying yours. Yours do appear to look quite nice. Great Britain: George III "Cartwheel" Penny 1797  
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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IIRC, the pennies are extremely common (and circulated a lot, so are frequently found very worn), while the twopences are relatively scarce (and didn't circulate anywhere near as much, so tend to show up in much better condition).
I have about two or three of the pennies, which I paid less than £1 for each. I have yet to find a twopence within my budget; if they really cost £10+, that's not surprising. The type is on my long-term wishlist, though.
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