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 Posted 10/19/2020  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
I am asking because I have seen numerous coins on Dutch coin sellers' websites that rate their coins say "Pr" while to me they barely seem VF. Do the Dutch tend to overgrade their coins?
Also, most of the coins I have seen appear to be thoroughly cleaned. Like they went in some sort of caustic silver polish bath.
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 Posted 10/19/2020  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BCTokens to your friends list
I wish I knew more about Dutch grading standards. My only resources are very old catalogues (ca 1980) which just give a verbal description for the grades. Essentially, the more wear, the lower the grade.

I certainly have seen coins such as you described. Still, in an earlier thread about grading, I posted the following coin from a major Dutch auction house about 2 years ago which was graded Z.F.:


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It looks better than that, but I now see that it has been harshly cleaned so perhaps that downgraded it.

I hope that the O/P can comment on current grading standards.

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 Posted 10/19/2020  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ff4266 to your friends list
Okay here goes, by the way that is a pretty rare coin you have there. It is called a "Rijksdaalder" or "Daalder of the Kingdom" translated freely. Daalder is the word "Dollar" originates from. In general, gulden coins from Willem the first, second and third are rare.

So, the American grading standards are more extensive than the Dutch, but to give you a quick view:

Goed (G) > G-4
Zeer goed (ZG) > G-8
Fraai (Fr) > F-12
Zeer Fraai (Zf) > VF-20
Prachtig (Pr) > XF-40
Fleur de Coin (Fdc) > MS

As you can see, there are no ranges used in for example MS state. That is why a lot of collectors in NL will get their coins graded by NGC or PCGS, to get the exact grade. But dealers and sellers very few use the specific grades.

And to conclude this message, here are some of my Gulden coins. That 1943 Rijksdaalder has a "D" on it. During the war, gulden coins were minted in the US, Denver and Philly to be specific. Hence the less sharp strikes, the Dutch mint did a much better job in those days:

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 Posted 10/19/2020  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
There are no AU grades in Dutch? How would they grade an e.g. AU55 coin?
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 Posted 10/19/2020  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ff4266 to your friends list
That would be Pr+

While coin collecting becomes easier available internationally through internet, more and more stores and Dutch forums are using the grading scale from the US. I for one, am a collector of US half dollars, which are not commonly available here so I order a lot through ebay from the US..
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 Posted 10/19/2020  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
I guess I am mostly focussing on "Prachtig" coins then, as I feel tbat Mint State coins look "to good to be true" (and more like Chinese knock offs).

Any reply to my comment that it seems that Dutch coin sellers like to offer "bleached" coins?
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10/19/2020 5:57 pm
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 Posted 10/19/2020  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ff4266 to your friends list
Watch out for fakes indeed, not the 1 gulden(to small and cheap to make fakes) but the 2,5 gulden sometimes, and even more, the gold 10 gulden. Those have been faked a LOT, especially the 1897(Wilhelmina with long hair), sometimes in 14kt gold.
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 Posted 10/19/2020  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
Good point. I read that Rijksdaalders are the most faked?
I like collecting 1 Gulden coins because they are the unit-of-account and are neither too small nor too big for my taste.
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10/19/2020 6:03 pm
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 Posted 10/19/2020  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ff4266 to your friends list
1840, 1863 and 1898 are commonly faked.

For 1 gulden the common faked years are: 1847, 1896 and 1929. Chinese junk..
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 Posted 10/23/2020  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
Here is an overview of the gulden type set I have collected so far.
For some reason, the coins on the photos look much worse than they are in reality. Not sure what light and settings on my phone I should use.

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...same one but photographed through plastic holder:

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Also, the "laatste gulden" does NOT have an edge nick. It probably is a piece of black foam protruding.
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I am curious if any of the contributors here from Netherlands know the auction house Corinphila. I recently participated (electronically) in an auction where they were selling a collection of mostly medieval Brabant coins. Hammer prices generally seemed rather high (I only managed to win one coin by opening my wallet a bit wider than I had hoped), but maybe this was a well-known collection, and I am finding that prices of high quality world coins are generally quite high everywhere..
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 Posted 11/10/2020  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
Moved...
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 Posted 11/11/2020  08:28 am  Show Profile   Check beem's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add beem to your friends list

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I am finding that prices of high quality world coins are generally quite high everywhere.


You're not alone. Prices of world coins are getting up there, sales are high, and this was all predictable. And I think this will continue for some time, too.
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 Posted 01/05/2021  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
Finally got my Dutch 1973 Commemorative 10 Gulden piece as avatar!
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 Posted 08/15/2021  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
Can anyone recommend a reference work or catalogus of Dutch coins from the 16th to the 21st century? Or perhaps split between 1600-1800 and 1800-2003?
I have found the Delmonte, Verkade, and Schulman handbooks, but none of them specify mintages.
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