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1944 Off Center LWC That Concerns Me, Need Opinions Please

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 Posted 09/29/2020  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CircSearch to your friends list
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was leaning towards the fake category from the start and it appears others feel the same way. The reverse gives me too many doubts to confidently think its 100% authentic.
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 Posted 09/29/2020  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I think you've reached the correct conclusion - this has been a great discussion.
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 Posted 09/29/2020  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list
So is it a faked off center strike using a real cent or a faked off center strike using a faked cent?

I find the lack of an obverse rim, especially on the right side interesting as well as the run off the rim nature of IGWT on the top. Not sure how you could create either one of those if you were making a fake using a real cent, especially not without leaving tool marks.

I agree that the spread on the lower left side of the obverse doesn't look like a typical off center strike, and the underweight nature of the coin is suspicious also.

But Error-ref.com has a photo of a very similar obverse misaligned die LMC:

http://www.error-ref.com/horizontal...-hammer-die/

Similar lobe like area opposite the direction of the misalignment and lack of a rim on the misaligned side.


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 Posted 09/30/2020  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I feel it is legit, but it may have been struck on a blank, rather than a planchet that were are used to seeing. Note there is not proto rim on any area. Thus it appears thinner. (Maybe an under weight blank) Thus why the edges were different thicknesses.
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 Posted 09/30/2020  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list
Looks like it could be a wrong planchet error. The weak strike looks very similar to some centavo planchet error coins I've seen posted here.
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 Posted 09/30/2020  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I dunno. Struck on an underweight blank seems a stretch. After studying it at length, it still doesn't feel right.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CircSearch to your friends list
Thanks for the additional comments and insight. I'll be setting this coin aside and potentially submitting it to PCGS in the future to see what they have to say. If only for a definitive answer of real or fake at this point lol.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
{ia] with coinfrog. It's just an attempt to make an error coin. And I agree, good discussion!
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 Posted 10/01/2020  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
OK, if it were damage, why is the weight reduced, why are the highest devices not struck up and the devices on the USA area on the reverse missing? Also not there are no setup rims (The proto rims that change a blank into a planchet) missing from the edges of the faces? If the devices were flattened? Why are they all fully there except for the high coins that show weakness on a thinned planchet?
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 Posted 10/02/2020  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
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 Posted 07/12/2023  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CircSearch to your friends list
Hello!

I finally got around to submitting this coin to PCGS and it did in fact come back as genuine but with damage. The certification number is 47877563 with images. I just wanted to follow up with everybody who weighed in on the initial conversation. Thanks again to all!
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 Posted 07/12/2023  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list
Congrats on the attribution and thanks for the follow up! Have to say, I'm pretty embarrassed to see how dumb my original comment was on this post. The original thread was posted when I was a lot newer to error and variety hunting, but still not sure what I was smoking with the centavo planchet thing &
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 Posted 07/12/2023  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
My original toughts on this coin three years ago were equally dumb. Congrats!
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 Posted 07/12/2023  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Congratulations CircSearch! That's great news!
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