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1944 Off Center LWC That Concerns Me, Need Opinions Please

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 Posted 09/27/2020  12:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CircSearch to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello! I am a long time reader/lurker of this forum but this is my first actual post so I apologize in advance if my images are not clear enough. This is my first attempt at uploading some pictures so it may take some practice so bear with me please.

I recently purchased an accumulation of error coins and this 1944 off center wheat was one of them. There are some features that are giving me the feeling that it may be fake and I wanted to post pictures here and get other opinions. There are many people on this forum who are much more knowledgeable than I and I appreciate the the feedback in advance.

The weight of the coin is on the light side? Is that unusual for an off center coin? The off center part of the coin is thinner than the rest of the planchet which I attempted to show in photos.

The '44' in the date does not look as it should. ie. slanted and stretched. Is that appropriate for an off center as well?

The reverse appears to have grease marks in the middle resulting in lack of detail. Any other causes for this?

There are many scratches/cracks on the reverse. Is that post mint damage or a result of the off center strike?

With all of these concerns, I am simply unsure if this coin is authentic so thank you everyone who provides input and opinions! I really appreciate it!










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 Posted 09/27/2020  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could you enlarge the first two pics, please?



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 Posted 09/27/2020  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CircSearch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If these are not any larger then I will attempt to take closer photos



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 Posted 09/27/2020  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CircSearch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps these are better...



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 Posted 09/27/2020  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF fellow Michigander. Nice coin. The weight difference might be because of a rolled thin planchet? For sure 2x2 worthy.
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 Posted 09/28/2020  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doesn't look like a typical off center strike, almost looks like an attempt to replicate an off center strike. looks like it was viced between 2 pieces of flat semi circular metal pieces..
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 Posted 09/28/2020  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree. Surface damage (especially on the reverse) and flattened outer edges K5-K12 somehow don't seem right, though I know little about the technical aspects of these things. I'm skeptical.
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 Posted 09/29/2020  02:23 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I learn towards fake. The general lack of detail in the bust is unrealistic given the otherwise crisp obverse strike
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 Posted 09/29/2020  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CircSearch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was leaning towards the fake category from the start and it appears others feel the same way. The reverse gives me too many doubts to confidently think its 100% authentic.
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 Posted 09/29/2020  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you've reached the correct conclusion - this has been a great discussion.
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 Posted 09/29/2020  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So is it a faked off center strike using a real cent or a faked off center strike using a faked cent?

I find the lack of an obverse rim, especially on the right side interesting as well as the run off the rim nature of IGWT on the top. Not sure how you could create either one of those if you were making a fake using a real cent, especially not without leaving tool marks.

I agree that the spread on the lower left side of the obverse doesn't look like a typical off center strike, and the underweight nature of the coin is suspicious also.

But Error-ref.com has a photo of a very similar obverse misaligned die LMC:

http://www.error-ref.com/horizontal...-hammer-die/

Similar lobe like area opposite the direction of the misalignment and lack of a rim on the misaligned side.


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 Posted 09/30/2020  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel it is legit, but it may have been struck on a blank, rather than a planchet that were are used to seeing. Note there is not proto rim on any area. Thus it appears thinner. (Maybe an under weight blank) Thus why the edges were different thicknesses.
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 Posted 09/30/2020  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it could be a wrong planchet error. The weak strike looks very similar to some centavo planchet error coins I've seen posted here.
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 Posted 09/30/2020  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dunno. Struck on an underweight blank seems a stretch. After studying it at length, it still doesn't feel right.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CircSearch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the additional comments and insight. I'll be setting this coin aside and potentially submitting it to PCGS in the future to see what they have to say. If only for a definitive answer of real or fake at this point lol.
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