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On the area with the circle lines, those devices are incuse, not raised. So if you used a dremel tool on that area, the devices are incuse (below the fields) so the fields could be altered but it would take a deep mark to be alter the deep incuse devices. On The VDB on cents on the bust (1918-2021)  , the VDB on the Shield cents and the ATB devices on the out reverse ring, these are incuse devices. I have an image of a EPU that shows deep damage to a device:   So the lines are above the devices. This coin is damaged. Just a face value coin. Someone trying to make it look like an error coin. (When it is not) Edited by coop
11/03/2020 5:34 pm
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Thanks spence and coop. I've been collecting for 3 years now and have come across a few unlisted errors and varieties. The first coin I posted here was said to be basically a damaged coin. Turns out it was exactly what I posted in the title. New major doubled die variety. If I just took the word of others who knows how long it may have taken to be discovered if ever. I try add to the hobby not be detrimental to it. Thankfully anacs is running another special for fall so it will cost me a grand total of about 20 bucks to see what's to this coin. Absolutely worth it to me. I really do appreciate everyone's opinions because it helps me make a more informed decision. I always say I don't know or I could be wrong because that is simply the case. I don't comment on much because I don't have the experience or qualifications to. I recently read that even on the 1955 doubled die there was not consensus and some considered it modern junk. The coin was said to be hard to sell for 1 dollar at the time. I like history and I like coins. Sometimes history repeats itself
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This is a gamble like playing the lottery or going to the casino. Wish me luck  |
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Just coin damage. There have been no doubled die reverses on that area of the ATB Quarters. All the doubling there is Machine Doubling on incuse devices:     Take piece of new aluminum foil with the shiny side up and the dull side downwards. Press the foil on to the devices. If the devices are raised, they will be raised on the shiny side. If they are incuse, then they will be raised on the dull side. That is one way you can check these to know for sure for yourself. These devices are raised on the die, and the slightest amount of movement of the dies, will alter these devices 70% of the time. (Slight to huge) The doubled dies are on the central areas of the both sides of the coins devices. |
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Thanks coop. I'm not saying this is a doubled die or even anything significant just a possible error. Everything maybe incuse but it seems like a planchet a die or a striking thing.
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The OP's quarter suffers from post-strike damage.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Thanks mikediamond. I thought I had something here. I was wondering how could the rim not be filled in by the strike but I have a photo showing it's possible. I'm not contradicting the PMD verdict just trying to get an understanding of how this happens. Appears to have concentric and radial lines indicating massive force to shockwave the metal and leave minimal damage particularly to the rim. I would think the rim would be blown out with thos kind of force. That's was just my crazy theory. In the end of course I have to go with your expertise |
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Looks like my goose is cooked with this coin but here's why I thought even with the rim void this could be possible. PMD   |
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What is the relationship of this last coin to the first coin you posted? You shouldn't confuse the thread by posting several different coins.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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I was showing how a void in the rim could happen when a coin is struck. I'm thinking that's the main reason for PMD theory. Not to conflate this with that but that was my initial thought which proved to be wrong |
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Sorry mikediamond but I'm still new at this and still figuring things out with the coin collecting. I know most of the errors but not everything. I have to agree with the consensus. PMD |
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Edited by MOS0239
11/07/2020 10:45 pm
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I'm familiar with Mike Diamond's great contributions to the hobby. What would make you think otherwise? I acknowledged this is PMD. Now what? |
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One of the best things that can happen here is for mike diamond to take the time to comment on one of our questionable coin conquests. I do realize that. This is a great forum
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Oh I forgot to mention that I sent two submissions to maddieclashes today for whatever its worth
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