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1981 D. Penny. Struck?..what Could It Be

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 Posted 11/02/2020  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
Im joining the PMD group, also guessing this will come back underweight.
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 Posted 11/02/2020  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lainmejia to your friends list
Im trying to get the scale...as soon I get the weight I'll post an update.
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 Posted 11/03/2020  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list

Quote:
The coin isn't out of round and the rims look unaffected


I agree with this and am leaning towards not PMD, for the middle indent anyways.

Has great eye appeal I think.
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 Posted 11/05/2020  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lainmejia to your friends list
Update: The weight of this coin is 3.00 gr.
1981-D.-Penny.---Struck?..what-Could-It-Be
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11/05/2020 08:48 am
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 Posted 11/05/2020  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
Interesting... slightly underweight, but not drastic enough to really guarantee material was removed post mint. Could still be considered a light planchet.

Initially, I thought a rotary tool could be the culprit, surfaces smoothed out and then circulated for a number of years. No pressure necessary. This would leave the reverse un-flattened and not leave the coin out of round.

If this was a rolling Indentation as pointed out by Adam_E, wouldn't there be some discernible strike weakness on the reverse?

I'll let the experts weigh in
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 Posted 11/05/2020  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lainmejia to your friends list
At the beginning I was thinking the same. But I saw an small die chip over one of the deep edges. (Pictures No 8 and 12).As you can see in the pictures. The die chip still there.
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 Posted 11/05/2020  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Not a die chip, just moved metal that ended up there.
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 Posted 11/05/2020  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
you can see the scrape in the closeup. Reverse and rim took a hit, just displaced metal. There would be no die chips on the area in question, being that if it was indeed done prior to strike, it wouldn't have come in contact with the die, if that makes sense.
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 Posted 11/05/2020  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
IF there was an issue with the collar, it could leave something there, but the die is not affecting that area of a coin. The collar does. If they are flat, then they maybe have been retained inside the coin/collar. But if they are raised, they are moved metal:
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 Posted 11/05/2020  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
I am still thinking this is post mint damage.
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 Posted 11/05/2020  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lainmejia to your friends list
The precise symmetry of the shapes...can be caused by any accidental or human intended PMD?...
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 Posted 11/06/2020  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lainmejia to your friends list
I forgot to post these other pictures of the edge in the reverse side.
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 Posted 11/06/2020  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
To me those pictures make it look more post mint. Odd looking rim to say the least. Possibly a vise job.
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 Posted 11/07/2020  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
This is clearly a case of post-strike alteration.
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 Posted 11/07/2020  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Thanks Mike.
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