What Are My Options With An 1840 Counterfeit Mexico 8 Reales?

Please post your pictures here and let swamperbob comment on your coin -- he is an expert on Mexico 8 reales contemporary counterfeits.

@tdziemia, thank you for correctly interpreting the intent of my first-ever post on CCF. @Kcm, sir, I am disappointed by your implication that I am either ignorant and/or amoral. I am a retired Lutheran pastor and try to live by the Golden Rule. THAT is why I asked the question, and, as subsequent replies indicate, it IS possible to sell a counterfeit in certain situations.

I'm having some trouble navigating CCF. I'd like to post photos of the counterfeit in question. Would anyone be willing to point me in the right direction?

Thanks all, even you, Krevin ( since you don't know me personally I won't take it personally and will assume you were only trying to keep a shyster from cheating someone),

Steve

It isn't easy, if your file is too big you can use the Optimizer.

Thank you, Burton! You're a good man. Is it just me or is this site a lot more difficult to maneuver through than CT?

Let's hope @swamperbob will come out of the swamp long enough to take a peek at the images.

Thanks, again,

Steve

Thank you, @realeswatcher, for your opinion. I appreciate it. I'm a bit gun-shy now about the other 12 coins in the lot I purchased. They don't appear counterfeit, but as a precaution I'm going to try to post photos of the 1796 4 reales. I just reread the tutorial, and will give it a college

OK, insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. I've had the first photo in the "Optimizer" many times, have oriented it correctly, have cropped it to the bare image, have adjusted the width to 750 giving 213 kb. When I take the next step to upload the image I get the message "file must be under 300..."

I'm on a MacBook Pro. Anyone have suggestions as to the piece I'm missing?

Steve

Stevearino Your coin is in fact a very collectable version of a Gunajuato Counterfeit. These were made primarily in the US before the Civil War and were common in commerce at the time.

It is not listed in J.L. Riddell's book but I intend to list it if I live long enough to publish an update. I'm my own collection I have at least 6 coins struck from the same dies and onlt one in better shape than yours.

COINS LIKE THIS ARE ABSOLUTELY LEGAL TO OWN AND COLLECT. That has been fully verified on numerous occasions in the past few years.

Since ebay dissolved the Coin Watch Committee they are also permissable coins to sell on ebay. They do not violate the let the buyer beware issue and provided you refer to them as "non-regal" there is no chance of fraud being claimed.

These are in a completely different class than the recently made Numismatic Forgeries which are essentially worthless junk. Your coin is worth more than $50 possibly more than $100 and should not under any circumstances be marked "COPY". The HPA has nothing to do with CCC coins made over 150 years ago. They are not what the HPA was designed for at all.

Post your coin as a "Contemporary non-regal" coin and that is more than enough warning. It will also signal the counterfeit coin collectors as to what it is. This one should sell well. I personally know of about 200 collectors who are in this category.

I would also venture to guess that in this grade your Counterfeit (Contemporary Circulating Counterfeit - or CCC is the correct name) is worth MORE than a genuine example with the same damage. It is also far scarcer than a genuine coin.

Good luck with it. Any questions - do not hesitate to ask. Contact me anytime regarding issues like this.

I can be contacted directly at "swamperbob22@aol.com"

The 4 reales little sister is a genuine coin from my inspection of pictures. As realeswatcher says counterfeits of Portrait 4Rs are far less common than 8R verieties. It is clearly not a contemporary counterfeit nor is it a numismatic forgery.

@PatAR, thank you for the advice. I will go back to your post the next time I try to post an image. Appreciate it!

Steve