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Is This A 1995-D LMC DDO?

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 Posted 02/15/2021  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phantasm1970 to your friends list

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Not a waste of time, others may learn from it.


Thanks, John, that makes sense now that you've said that. I reckon I wouldn't learn much if everyone deleted their posts!
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 Posted 02/15/2021  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The devices are widened on the DDO:
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Note on the DDO, the devices are enlarged? Note on your coin the affected areas are on the outside edge of the device. Where Machine Doubling happens. A doubled die, has the die doubled. Machine Doubling is altered after the strike by the machine.
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 Posted 02/15/2021  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tileman to your friends list
I also have a very hard time deciphering Machine Doubling from a doubled die . Hope it helps knowing your not alone. Good luck hunting.
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I also have a very hard time deciphering Machine Doubling from a doubled die . Hope it helps knowing your not alone. Good luck hunting.


It truly can be confusing, and it seems like we are not alone in the confusion. From what I've read, it seems to be one of the most confusing aspects to collecting error coins. Doubled dies, Machine Doubling, split plate doubling, etc... but hey, we'll get it sooner or later!
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Note on the DDO, the devices are enlarged? Note on your coin the affected areas are on the outside edge of the device. Where Machine Doubling happens. A doubled die, has the die doubled. Machine Doubling is altered after the strike by the machine.


Thanks, Coop, I appreciate your help in this. I had an idea to make a comparison graphic from the one you posted, mostly so I could see the difference between the two in one simple view. Hopefully this will help others as well. You can really see the difference in the "IN GOD WE".


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 Posted 02/16/2021  01:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scuba1 to your friends list
"and I'm like what is that arrow pointing at? "

Please don't think this post is in vain. Your post was very good, and very valid, and others will learn from it. Excellent pictures by the way!
In reference to the "arrows" and what are they pointing at. Some of the websites you are looking at describe the details of a coin in great detail while putting arrows on certain areas of the coin. What I have seen is that these arrows are usually pointing out minute details of things such as die dots, die clashes, die cracks, die chips and die scratches in the effort to give markers which can identify a particular variety. Hope this helps and makes sense.
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 Posted 02/16/2021  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Phantasm1970,
Make sure to read and bookmark the link I posted earlier.
There are many forms of doubling to learn,here is another link to read and bookmark,make sure to click on their pics to enlarge http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...Doubling.htm
Also,what your thinking that are errors are actually varieties.
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 Posted 02/16/2021  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parnelli917 to your friends list
I too learn from questions brought to these experts, so please continue asking. I have begun to search my coins differently. Instead of looking for doubled dies, I look to disprove anything that looks wrong. Moving the coin so that light shines from every angle tends to disprove a lot of doubled dies. Many well-know doubled dies can be confirmed by their die gouges/scratches. Most of the variety sites list die gouges/scratches to go along with the doubling.
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 Posted 02/16/2021  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Sometimes we think that the questions are easy. Probably the MD is one of the biggest hurdles to over come when we are new. So I keep trying with different answers. Sometimes I find a new way to put it and it helps others also that have the same question, but haven't asked the question. So it is all good. To me seeing, lets it sink in. Thus all the images. I try to show, what I see on the images. That seems to me worth a lot more than a long explanation without them.
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 Posted 02/16/2021  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list

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Not a waste of time, others may learn from it.

You'd never learn if you don't ask. We have all been and will be down this path and will never fully learn all that there is to learn about this amazing hobby
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What I have seen is that these arrows are usually pointing out minute details of things such as die dots, die clashes, die cracks, die chips and die scratches in the effort to give markers which can identify a particular variety


That's makes more sense for me now, Scuba, thanks. I was thinking the arrows were pointing at every doubled spot and it was driving me nuts trying to see/figure out what was doubled!


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Also, what your thinking that are errors are actually varieties.


Thanks for the links, John, I'll be doing a bit of reading and learning today. I think I should also learn all of the correct jargon!


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Moving the coin so that light shines from every angle tends to disprove a lot of doubled dies.


Parnelli, I agree with you on that note. At one angle it looks like something, but turn the coin a bit and there is nothing! The light really does play tricks on these shiny coins. I think maybe I get too excited and think I have something more special. :)


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That seems to me worth a lot more than a long explanation without them.


Coop, I completely agree with the idea behind the photographs, they speak a thousand words without saying anything at all. So many of us are visual learners, and you are certainly appreciated with all of your graphics. I'm not new to coins, I collected Colorado merchant trade tokens for about 35 years. It's a big difference though, trade tokens do not have so many varieties or errors since they were stamped in such small numbers. I am however new to collecting legal tender! :) It's a whole new learning curve for me, but I am definitely enjoying it. I ask so many questions because I definitely want the right answer instead of just making up a misinformed decision on my own.
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 Posted 02/17/2021  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
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As others have said, don't give up the ghost.

It does get tricky because some MD is strong and easy to tell while others not so much. Flat and shelf-like sounds simple and will be recognized when it finally clicks to newer collectors.

I've been back at collecting only about 7 years and I'm not too proud to admit it still gets me sometimes. And when it does .

Look at this image below and see if it helps you to visualize and compare MD and Die Deterioration to a Normal coin and a true DDO (I used the G from a 1995P DDO-001 since the MD shows up well on your images of the G.)

It doesn't come close to Coops Side-By-side images but please let me know if this helps or what I might do to help see it better!

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 Posted 02/17/2021  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phantasm1970 to your friends list

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please let me know if this helps or what I might do to help see it better!


Every little bit helps! I've been studying photographs of doubled-die coins, and my eyes are starting to really see the difference now.
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 Posted 02/18/2021  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Looks like I'll have to add different images, because I didn't notice the "D" mintmark. But the coin answer is still the same. MD. But I'll make a side by side of the OP's images with the 003 DDO. That will help a lot more.
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Note the differences in size of the devices. On the DDO's images all of the devices that were hub doubled are enlarged. On the OP's coin, they were showing normal sized devices with Machine Doubling. Look for the spread on the centers of the devices (enlargement of the devices) and don't look at the outsides of the devices with the flattened edges as that is where the Machine Doubling hides out.
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