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Help Grading An 1860 One Penny

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 Posted 03/17/2021  03:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JMAA_Coin to your friends list
Many thanks for the information. I have a few to go through so this really helps me with what to look for.
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 Posted 03/17/2021  06:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list

You're welcome. Do let us see what else you have.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
Looking at the Britannia's fingers holding the trident makes me think its aVF or maybe even better or am I too positive?
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03/18/2021 12:26 pm
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 Posted 03/18/2021  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list

Much too positive. You're way off. As you'll see consensus here is grade Fine but cleaned.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
Well, I'm a positive person, what can I say. :)
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 Posted 03/18/2021  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I could possibly see low VF, and but a details coin in any event.



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 Posted 03/18/2021  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list

"Well, I'm a positive person, what can I say. :)"

Nothing wrong with that.
Always best to be realistic though when assessing coins as overgrading can lead to a false idea of what a collection may be worth and possible future disappointment.
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03/18/2021 7:04 pm
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 Posted 03/18/2021  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list

For comparison, here's an 1860 penny accurately graded Fine by London Coin Auctions.

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 Posted 03/18/2021  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list
I think the grading is too stingy! I think its cleaned and that London operation had another coin in another thread we thought was graded too hard.

The OP's coin is better than that one, I would say its gFine verging on VF, Molydeii is right.
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 Posted 03/20/2021  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zookeeperz to your friends list
LCA(LCGS) couldn't grade chalk. They are way to harsh. What I find hard to believe is how can a coin graded VF50 still have full cartwheel mint bloom because to me that is impossible and is more a case of a worn die than wear on the coin The coin featured at the auction is GF still shows nearly all hair detail with very prominent curls at the nape of the neck . Reverse D is always questionable often has worn die specimens where the dress is completely devoid of any identifying marks and almost always the shield is weakly struck. Incidentally Paddy was this listed as N/sidewaysN or Z (another classification that is impossible for obvious reasons) Not much between either coins plus photography only tells part of a story Bold fine for me :)
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 Posted 03/25/2021  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
Hogarth, that is what I like about British / adjectival grading system compared to the American / numeral system. It leaves some room to discuss and also reflects what each adjective means for each grader. Looking at the OP's coin, I can see the Trident, fingers of Britannia and the ship seems slightby in better detail than London Coins' Fine graded coin. But that is just me thinking and I am nothing close to an expert in British coins, I just collect them. To me OP's coin, conditionwise, is just a tad better than London Coins graded penny. (gF or aVF compaed to F).But that is just my opinion.
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 Posted 07/12/2021  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NZStamps to your friends list
Is it worth blocking a 1860? I just want to block something.
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 Posted 07/12/2021  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add saxon to your friends list
I would grade it VG to Fine due to the historical cleaning.
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 Posted 07/12/2021  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NZStamps to your friends list
Anyone got all 17 varieties or even half?
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 Posted 07/16/2021  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
NZStamaps what do you mean by block?
And there are more than 17 varieties - at least 24 but likely more.
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