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Is This Morgan Dollar 1883 O Legit?

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 Posted 03/18/2021  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
Looks good to me. It's a 1884, not a 1883 as listed in the title, but I don't see anything to cause doubt about its authenticity. With almost 10,000,000 minted in New Orleans in 1884 I wouldn't think it would be a counterfeit, but it's possible.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  10:53 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list

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With almost 10,000,000 minted in New Orleans in 1884 I wouldn't think it would be a counterfeit


EVERY year and mint mark Morgan dollar has been counterfeited, without exception.

Here's a fake 1884-O from my archives.
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regarding krun4's coin
I don't like the shape of the date digits
I don't like the flat gray color of the coin
I don't like the shallowly struck stars on either side of the date

Chances of this being a genuine coin 10%, in my opinion.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add krun4 to your friends list
Thank you all for your responses!

Can someone suggest a way to test it with absolute certainty?
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 Posted 03/18/2021  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Coin Dude to your friends list
try putting ice on it. if it is silver, the ice will melt. or balance it on your finger an then tap it with another coin, if it is silver, it willhave a nice, low ting sound.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list
Another good way I suppose to test it is to try to match this specimen to the known vams on vamworld.com. It would be genuine if a known VAM matches yours. I think it would be kinda hard for a counterfeiter to fake any of the known vams to me.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  11:48 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Has that dull washed out look ,
Me thinks a Chinese mint issue!
Questionable authenticity.
Get it XRF ed
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 Posted 03/18/2021  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
You can compare the thickness across the rim to another known authentic example. Chinese counterfeits tend to be thicker to achieve the correct weight when not made from 90/10 silver.

Beyond that, your example looks like a far date position with an oval O/O mint mark. Can you post an enlarged cropped image of the mint mark?

And to the CCF!
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 Posted 03/18/2021  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list
Your local coin or bullion dealer should have a tester for silver/gold coins.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add krun4 to your friends list
When I hit it with other silver coin it has really high and prolong silver pitch sound. I will try the ice test as well. Unfortunately I don't have a XRF. It really looks quite odd as a coin, but even the rare earth magnet behaves like it is sliding on silver.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add krun4 to your friends list
Thank you dave700x, I am attaching the requested photo.
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It looks like you have a VAM-7 example.http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...1884-O_VAM-7

edit to add - Your second larger full obverse image clearly shows the die clash mark above the phrygian cap as well.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add krun4 to your friends list
Apologies for the newbie question, but can counterfits have VAM die?
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 Posted 03/18/2021  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
I have yet to see a counterfeit that matches a legitimate VAM listing. Your coin is authentic in my opinion.
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 Posted 03/18/2021  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add krun4 to your friends list
Thank you for your knowledge, dave700x!!!
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