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Would like to give it a 65 but have to agree with Zurie ... the speckles do try to hide some obverse marks. Have to also agree with the MS64.
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Mismatched die states, with a weak reverse. To get a better feel for the coin, I tinkered with the pictures by reducing lighting, eliminating color completely, and sharpening contrast.
The obverse has multiple contact marks on the cheek, chin, and neck, with one deep NW-SE gouge between the third right star and the lips. IMHO, the obverse is capped at MS-63. Despite the weak strike, the reverse is better. There is a hit on the vertical bars of the shield, another on the point of the shield, rim scuffs at 1:00, and a knock on the mint mark. IMHO, the reverse makes MS-65. The blended grade would be MS-64, before eye appeal adjustment. The surface spotting looks like an old dipping that was followed by improper handling. I agree with the upthread comments about toning measles and the fingerprint.* I see at least -0.5 points for eye appeal, with a net grade of MS-63+.
*My wife and I have two police detective friends who would salivate over a fingerprint like that!
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Time is up!
PCGS gave this an MS66, which I felt was wayyy to high.
Though I'll be controversial, I really quite like the toning. I can see why people wouldn't like it, but I think it looks quite nice.
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Figured as much, after looking at quite a few MS66 Barber quarters in PCGS holders I was convinced these are a crap shoot in grading with them. So many looked MS63/64 and others looked every bit of 66 or even better. Just no consistency at all in the series. I feel it is over graded by at least 1.5 points. Curious what the holder generation was Grape do you know or remember? "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Wow, it looks like it's a hard call to reach MS64 from those photos. That's hard to take.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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And after seeing the sellers pics, those obverse hits look deeper and more noticeable. Based on those I wouldn't say any higher than 64+.
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If this was at 64 money, maybe even low 65 I'd be all over it, but not for that price.
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At MS66 you would think this coin oozes luster, but I don't see it in those pics. And I certainly wouldn't pay $1,000+ for it.
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I think the reverse is actually (much) better than the obverse. But MS66...I still don't see it. I wonder how long this coin will be for sale on ebay. |
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Wow. With that obverse, I can't see 65 or 66 here. There would need to be a lot of haggling adjustment to snag a buyer on a bourse floor. IMHO, it would be a tough sell north of half the list price.
In that slab, I'd be afraid of it becoming permanent inventory.
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fortcollins you are exactly correct! Is there such a thing as an opposite CAC gold bean?  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Is there such a thing as an opposite CAC gold bean? Yeah, an ICG slab.  |
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GrapeCollects: Yeah, an ICG slab. I'll give you that today. You know my friend and high school coin buddy and coin partner started ICG? Pre ICG in high school we ran mail order lists and travelled to coin shows out of state together. He went on to be a major player in the coin wholesale business then worked for PCGS for awhile before leaving and starting ICG. It was an interesting company and they did a really good job IMO in the beginning while he owned it. He got JP Martin (one of the very best) to be authenticator, and James Taylor to help run things, and many of the graders had come over from PCGS. Having ANACS and ICG a couple of miles apart in Englewood, CO made it easy to drop off coins for me at the time too. Today I don't really give them much thought. I always liked their holders using the Intercept insert to cut down on corrosion, and they were smaller than all the others, except the early ANACS white slabs. Today (actually for the past decade) I haven't even looked at or seen many ICG slabs in my hunt for certain coins. Last one I bought was only for the coin, a nice Two Cent Piece with a huge Cud on the reverse. I do have a few MS63 or better Two Cent Pieces still holdered by them, all really old holders though, nothing after say 2005. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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