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No opinion on the potential TPG attribution. Beautiful coin! In terms of the grade, it's definitely at least high AU. To my eyes, there is just a touch of wear on the high points of the obverse and the eagle's head and right wing (our visual left) on the reverse. The obverse shows light wear on the hair, clasp, folds, right arm, rock, knees and foot. The strike is a bit softer on the obverse, possibly reflecting die state more than strike quality. The reverse is much sharper, with minimal wear on the eagle's head, lower wing tips, and right talons. By appearance, the obverse would be AU-55. The reverse is a solid AU-58. Balancing obverse appearance with die state, IMHO the obverse also nets AU-58. The blended grade would be AU-58. I see an eye appeal plus on this coin. Net AU-58+. Great coin! |
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@Heymikep, Would you be willing to post a closeup of the primary "4" and area just SW of it? On your first pic, at distance, I think I can see the left side of the remnant of the "4" beneath the primary "4." When I enlarge that photo, it pixelates, and I can't see it any more. I wonder if there might be just enough of a hint of it to persuade PCGS?
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04/10/2021 4:50 pm
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@fortcollins, here is a closeup of the 4 and the 6. I could not see anything under 30x magnification but I do see a very faint line for the 4 from the photo. I do not see any remnants of the 6 though.   |
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@Heymikep, I would think that the clear remnant of the "1" and the weak, but still evident, remnant of the "4" should be more than enough for attribution. It might be worth sending the marked closeup pics along with the coin. If nothing else, somebody will probably glance at the pics, and maybe that's enough for them to take a harder look. I don't see anything to lose by doing it.
Really nice coin, and a tough variety.
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HMP, could you repost the pictures of the coin under normal lighting so that we could get a better sense of the surfaces since it appears that you have the coin in hand?
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I'll say high AU sharpness but unsure if this is market-acceptable. Reverse apparently cleaned at some point, along with the lower quarter or so of the obverse. The contrast is apparent.
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Thx HMP. Coin looks well struck but the surfaces lack luster. AU55 for me. Not sure if the surfaces are problematic, especially in the obverse. How do they look to you?
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i like to see a lot more luster for a 58 grade. the details are there on the obverse but not the luster. I think the reverse holds the overall coin to AU55
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An update, PCGS said that at least part of the "6" must be showing in order to get the 1847/6 WB-9 designation. I am ok with this as it has been graded now and on the way back to me as 1847/(6) LDS WB-9 (about 1/2 to 2/3 value of the 1847/6).
What really amazed me was the grade they gave, it straight graded at XF45!
Do you think this would be a candidate for CAC?
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To me it's not a CAC coin, but then I didn't think it would straight-grade either.  |
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Missed this one the first time around.
Based on your first set I would have said AU Details. Based on the last set of pics I would have said certainly no less than AU50, possibly 53. IMO, they either saw something they didn't like about the surfaces and net graded down to XF, or were too conservative. To me, there isn't nearly enough wear to warrant below AU. I'd say it's worth a shot at CAC
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09/03/2021 8:13 pm
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I missed this one too! Neat variety. Is the coin listed as PCGS #6258 or is the #804401 ID? This is the second one graded by PCGS then and the other one is a dog in VG8 https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...9-lds/804401Your example I at least am able to see the overdate, I assume that PCGS just based the designation on the VG example off the die cracks as that one is beat to heck in the pick up area around the date. It's great this made it into a straight holder and not a details one, that would keep the value up. Not a big hope for a CAC sticker IMO on this example, I'm no CAC expert however. The LDS is very obvious on the reverse, great looking die cracks, that die was certainly on it's final legs when this one was struck. Thanks for sharing it. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Westcoin, Yes, it does have the PCGS #804401 designation. This is an upgrade of my previous one that is graded VG8 (that you mentioned above). I also have another coming back from the same submission but this one is PCGS #147889 and is showing the overdate, it graded VF Details. I have discussed this marriage in detail with the grader and he said that they require at least the "6" showing to give it PCGS #147889 (which is newer number for #6258).
Thanks for everyone's comments, very much appreciated!
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