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Much better photos! You did well. I am not convinced the coin is real either from the overall look and the surfaces. They just don't look like that. Where did you acquire the coin at? and when?
This coin looks like a steel or lead almost that has been plated with a copper layer, that is now coming off.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks like a poor quality electrotype.
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I have noticed that other Chain Cents have that wierd silver color. One on ebay is completely silver looking. I've put a magnet to it and nothing. This coin was in an old coffee can full of screws and bolts. Could it be some form of electrolysis ? Could it be from a left over planchet from the Birch cents ? Odd that it weighs exactly 264 grains. |
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If it's electroplated would a magnet stick ? It's definitely not lead. I either have the rarest Ameri or a piece of scrap. I'm just beside myself. It's lettering is correct as far as I can tell. The C in cent is just a little below the E.
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I think it is a replica/counterfeit of some sort.
It falls into the "if it's too good to be true" category to me.
You can always send it in for authentication and put the question to rest.
Others may have different opinions and I respect that.
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Try the magnet test. Or get it XRF scanned.
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First and foremost I need to thank all of you for welcoming me and for taking the time to offer your help. I do appreciate it very much.
I don't know what an XRF scan is.
I have checked the coin with a magnet and it didn't stick at all.
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I'm still hoping that Voight had a left over 264 grain planchet from the Birch cents and decided to check out his engravings and pressed one out before diving into the 208 stock. Maybe like a prototype for himself. Not being an experienced engraver he had to be feeling the pressure. It's the fact that this thing weighs 264.4 that has me feeling its real. What are the chances that some counterfeiter got it to weigh that ?
How many tries would it take ?
Seems like it would take a lot of work.
And yes it seems to good to be true,big time. With your help I'll get it figured out. Thanx again,M.
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I have to agree with the majority here, too good to be true. It really looks plated from the pics. That being said, I'm far from an expert on these. I hope for your sake its the real deal. Would be knocking on the door of $100k if it is.
I really applaud your research though! Most dont do any research and just ask the members for help. The time you invested is appreciated and a welcome sight to many here.
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Unless they used a different set of dies to produce that coin, it is counterfeit
The positioning of the letters and date is complely different than an original coin.
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I'm still hoping that Voight had a left over 264 grain planchet from the Birch cents and decided to check out his engravings and pressed one out before diving into the 208 stock. The Birch cents were 32.5 mm in diameter, 4 mm larger than the chain cents. A Birch planchet struck by chain cent dies would have a wide space all the way around outside the legends. |
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I just read the post about different dies and I rechecked my coin. I'm not sure what coin you're looking at but after a careful re-check my coins lettering is perfect. Right down to the bottom of the C in CENT being slightly below the E. I read somewhere that's a good test for counterfeit.
I'm leaving in a few minutes to go have it looked at. Hopefully my next post will be of the "happy type."
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Guess I am going to have to do a side by side to explain my point. The "9" should be closed, yours is open Your "BE" should be staggered with more space "ONE CENT" different font from genuine coin Your word "OF" too far to the left There are other differences but this should be enough  Edited by JimmyD
07/21/2021 1:16 pm
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I too think it's an electro type (would not be immediately magnetic either). I made up an over lay in Photoshop of a genuine 1793 S-1 and the everything matches, as much as I can fit it, all letters are spaced exactly correctly, the date is right, the chain is the same, maybe a bit different in the hair area, but that is due to these photos not being very sharp. I tried cleaning up the photos in Photoshop using some advanced motion blur corrections and unsharp masking. I can't figure out how to make an animated GIF file in the modern Photoshop, I will keep looking, it used to be easy back in version 6 or 8 IIRC. Since it all lines up, that gives me hope it was made from a copy of an original coin, and why I say electro type the thickness and look of the plating (possibly) peeling back screams that to me anyways. JimmyD the coin you are trying to match it too isn't the same Sheldon variety this is an AMERI. cent lots of differences from the AMERICA cent you are comparing too. Here are the photos of the Sheldon 1 I used if anyone wants to try a comparison on their own.   "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
07/21/2021 7:21 pm
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Guess I am going to have to do a side by side to explain my point.
The "9" should be closed, yours is open
Your "BE" should be staggered with more space
"ONE CENT" different font from genuine coin
Your word "OF" too far to the left
There are other differences but this should be enough
Westcoin beat me to it. JimmyD is comparing the OP piece (copy of an S-1, against an S-3 which has both a different obv die and rev die. |
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