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Interesting. My thought is that it is a mule. Mostly because it is the transition date plus the note about the reverse dies being held back for future use. Possible that PCGS let a fake slip through but a rarity like this probably was given a lot of scrutiny. The different color between obv and rev is not a surprise to me.
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I also see a different amount of wear on the other sides of the coin.
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I contacted Heritage, who said they would try to get in touch with the purchaser. If anything comes of that, I'll update here.
I posted this as a guessing game on another forum, and a professional grader on there said he never checks hub types when authenticating. I thought that was odd. Both PCGS and NGC recognize Type 1 & 2 for 1892 quarters, so they're fully aware of the hub types. I don't expect them to know everything about every series, but with a key date like this you'd think the hub type would stick out like a sore thumb. I guess not.
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Hard to believe this was 6 months ago. Here's an update. After many email conversations among the BCCS varieties team, the conclusion is that it is a sandwiched fake. Jack Young recently published an article on it in his Dark Corner column, here https://coinweek.com/us-coins/from-...ber-quarter/ and as of last night, PCGS has invalidated the cert. Because of a change to the mint mark style after 1897, and the fact that the reverse is Type II, the conclusion is that the coin used for the reverse would have been 1898-1900 S. |
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Thanks for the update!  |
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Congrats to @kbbpll for your impressive detective work!
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Very interesting! Thank you for the update. |
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Can you see a seam on the edge ?
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Fantastic work!! It would be nice to see close up photos so we can understand exactly how it was put together.
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@52Raymo perhaps it wasn't clear but I have only seen images of the coin from the two auctions. Regardless of how expertly the two halves were put together neither side matches the known die pairs nor even the reverse hub type, so PCGS really blew it. It would be interesting to see how it was done though.
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I wonder if the current owner even knows about all the discussion about their coin? It was purchased through Heritage 5 years ago, do you know if they ever contacted the buyer?
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Congrats and thanks for your detective work to solve this issue.
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@Zurie I don't know if Heritage ever contacted the buyer. Jack and I both contacted them about it a while ago. Jack has a direct contact there I think. Jack also contacted Stack's but they said it was too long ago and they didn't have any info. Heritage still has it listed as "make offer to owner" but they probably aren't aware yet that the cert has been pulled. I can imagine that there's little incentive for PCGS or HA to put a lot of effort into tracking down the owner, as it would cost them money.
Unfortunately it's in the slab style with the coin sealed in all the way around the rim, so I don't think you can see the edge through those. If the owner cracked it out to investigate, that would invalidate their guarantee, right? Of course the auction images prove that it was in their slab.
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