Certifying Coins At PCGS, My Observations So Far Feel Free To Disagree.

While not trying to hold PCGS on any high pedestal, these companies do have a pretty strong reputation because they are, overall, fairly consistent. I find that often when people have grievances with the grades they are receiving it really does come down to that individual having less experience in grading.

PCGS and the other companies can get stuff wrong, but if they were consistently wrong like you suggest they wouldn't be able to sustain business

That's not true. The don't sell any coins. They only grade.

Majority of your post is blatantly just wrong:

No... any company that allows that would lose all credibility. The grader can't even know who's coin they are grading. No grader of the top 3-4 (PCGS, ANACA, NGC and ICG) can grade their own coins. They may know for example at ICG (because they are smaller) who's coins they are grading but at NGC, PGCS and ANACS that would be a violation of policy.

Hey my forum buddies, you have been nothing but as helpful as you could be and much appreciated. As for coin dealers I live 35 minutes from the largest coin dealer in south Louisiana ( straight from his mouth ) no sarcasm or anything meant by that. This coin dealer deals mostly in silver and gold and buys and sells silver mostly. He does not attend shows or update his inventory very often. He does try to help me but he is so busy all the time. It takes me 3 hrs to get to New Orleans , 4 hours to get to Houston, 6 hrs to Dallas and unfortunately there are no coin dealers near me. The coins I did submit were coins I had brought to the only coin show near me 3 hrs away in Shreveport, Louisiana Maybe 15 to 20 Tables and two had some Lincolns. I asked every dealer at the show who who listen to look at the Lincolns I had brought. I asked each one to see if the Lincolns looked original or not. I held coins up to coins I had purchased in slabs to match colors side by side. I didn't just haphazardly send coins to PCGS. If I can ever figure out how to take clear accurate pictures I will then post and hope several you reply to the pictures. Just saying I cracked a straight Graded coin from NGC and submitted to PCGS which came back artificially colored.. I just got 3 coins back that were from a different grading service with totally different details problems. just trying to figure it out is all.

It may sound like I am complaining, TPG's are the professionals and have millions of hours of experience on me as all of you do. There is evidence on every problem coin show me tangible proof so I can make better decisions no one should accept just because. Grading is subjective to some degree but shouldn't be 100% percent of the time. I guess you could describe me as tet dur.

Grading is Subjective.

Sadly everyone gets it wrong sometimes, from dealers on down to the individuals. It is a known fact. But you can't judge a coin based on another. You need to take each coin for what it is. I still get it wrong 25% of the time. And yes there is no guarantee that the same coin won't get a different grade when submitted. But you have to start looking at the ones you got wrong and figure out why. I can tell every coin I submitted why it got what it did. Do I agree with the grades I sometimes get, nope not even close. But taking all of that out consideration, you still shouldn't be grading the circulated wheat cents. Enjoy them for what they are. If you really want slabbed wheat cents, try here:

https://www.hyattcoins.com/lincoln-...t-1909-1958/

Or here:

https://thepennylady.com/coin-categ...wheat-cents/

Otherwise keep them in the Dansco and enjoy them like I do.

Keep in mind with the TPG's, just because they may reject a coin doesn't mean they are always 100% correct. In the past 10 years or so they have defined what they deem acceptable to be in their slabs and, if a coin doesn't meet that, it is rejected. They got burned many times by questionable coins and to eliminate that they instituted this "color standard" for copper.

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[/Grading is Subjective.

Sadly everyone gets it wrong sometimes, from dealers on down to the individuals. It is a known fact. But you can't judge a coin based on another. You need to take each coin for what it is. I still get it wrong 25% of the time. And yes there is no guarantee that the same coin won't get a different grade when submitted. But you have to start looking at the ones you got wrong and figure out why. I can tell every coin I submitted why it got what it did. Do I agree with the grades I sometimes get, nope not even close. But taking all of that out consideration, you still shouldn't be grading the circulated wheat cents. Enjoy them for what they are. If you really want slabbed wheat cents, try here:

Your advice is always sound and practical. Others on the forum also present good advice and I take everything into consideration. For instance, I have been told many times to look at coins already slabbed both straight graded or detailed ,then use them as learning tools. I will post 2 examples to illustrate my point. Unfortunately for me I have an obsession for a slabbed set. Please realize I have almost every Lincoln raw. Buying these Lincolns would cost way more than the price of submissions. I have a conundrum, take all the early Lincolns and try to submit or start over and buy slabbed coins . I am a gambler ( but so far a poor one.