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1851 $1 Gold PCGS: Trueview Vs Honest Undoctored Pics

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 Posted 01/11/2022  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
The scratch on the reverse is big enough that it might details the coin.

I'll say AU - Details scratched
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 Posted 01/11/2022  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
AU-53 from these pictures.
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 Posted 01/11/2022  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I'll say AU53 as well. I see some noticeable wear on hair around ear and further.
For some reason, I'm expecting some very different pictures showing that issue.
Coin looks nice enough here so far for me.
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 Posted 01/11/2022  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
AU-53. Nice looking coin!
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 Posted 01/12/2022  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list
OK, now for the REAL pictures


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 Posted 01/12/2022  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I'm going with MS63 due to weak reverse
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 Posted 01/12/2022  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wallyb to your friends list
Looks cleaned. Couldn't see those hairlines in the first photos.
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 Posted 01/12/2022  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list
Those obverse scratches were effectively doctored over on the first pic. Just enough of them showing for plausible deniability. The mottled toning, too, was evened out.

I think the coin rightfully avoids a details grade, but not by much. The surfaces are deliberately misrepresented in the Trueview pics, which are borderline fraudulent.

It's amazing to me that Trueview has any credibility in the numismatic community at all.
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 Posted 01/12/2022  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
I am at MS-62.
Were the dies made very shoddily back in 1851? Because the text "DOLLAR" seem to be tilted all over the place.
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 Posted 01/12/2022  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list

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Were the dies made very shoddily back in 1851? Because the text "DOLLAR" seem to be tilted all over the place.


I wouldn't say "shoddily", but yes there was an absence of precision. Remember that these coins are very, very small.




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 Posted 01/13/2022  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
The coin has enough apparent rub and high-point wear to suggest a low AU overall grade. However, luster is more in line with the assigned AU-58. The hairlines and reverse scratch don't look severe enough to detail the coin but they should at least cause some net-grading. AU-53 or maybe 55 would be a suitable compromise.

Seems likely that the Trueview business model is more about pleasing the customer with flattering images than providing a neutral representation of the coin.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Do ya think?
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I actually think Trueview makes the coin look worse.
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Always seems to be hiding something, aka doctored.
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 Posted 01/14/2022  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
trueview sucks...your last photo shows an AU58 coin
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