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People are getting a bit over killed on what is and what isn't an error. As far as I'm concerned, anything on a coin not part of originality is just an error. Well that just opens a HUGE bag of worms - so Road rash is an error in your opinion? |
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I believe Machine Doubling is an error. I've always felt that, and I don't think it causes a "huge issue". Machine Doubling is much, much more common than ejection impact doubling. The rarity of EID is what gives it potential for collectibility. There are a lot of minor errors that most collectors will spend without a second thought; minor grease strikes, slightly misaligned dies, small laminations, etc. Machine Doubling is just in that category. Small, common, and I like doubled dies more.  |
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Quote:Perhaps the challenge becomes finding coins with zero Machine Doubling (free of MD 'error'). Intriguing.  |
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 I believe Machine Doubling is considered a mint error. It is not a variety, and also unique to each coin. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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I think they are technically errors they are just common errors. Die Deterioration would also be considered an error? Or would it be a variety as they continue to change but are minted that way on purpose. I still get confused with technicalities. |
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Die deterioration would also be considered an error? I believe Die Deterioration is a variety, that gives you die cracks and die events that are found on many coins that you can compare with. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. Edited by jacrispies
02/11/2022 12:39 pm
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I'd consider MD is a Mint product defect error.
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I'd consider MD is a Mint product defect error. I think there can be many classifications for errors but in the end they are all mint errors if they were produced that way by the mint. Human error or machienes error it's still an error. Common? Yes, collectable? To some. Rare or valuable? No. I saw the thread about ejection impact doubling and it's not the same as your every day MD an would be much more rare and collectable. Collectable is the key word for collectors as everyone has there own preference. There are some errors much more uncommon then others that are not that collectable and some errors that are semi common but highly collectable. As for what is or isn't an error I still think if it happened before being taken out of the striking chamber then it's an error(unless a mint employee decided to hit it with a pick ax while it was still the the chamber... That is still PMD lol) Edited by Wrekkdd
02/11/2022 1:34 pm
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with Mike Diamonds statement on this one. Wrekkdd and I share the same logic. If it happened during the minting process, it's an error, no matter how common. Not all errors carry a premium and/or are collectible. As for Die Deterioration, I don't feel it can be classified as either error or variety. It's a matter of die state. That said, us as collectors and numismatists have attributed some of the effects of Die Deterioration as varieties, but not all Die Deterioration is a variety. One could also argue overuse of a die was human error and created an "error" , but that's pushing it IMO. |
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Thanks for the discussion. I have to agree with Ty and wrekkdd, especially on the value of the common MD strikes..
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Edited by Dorado
02/12/2022 07:48 am
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1965 Silver (1965 isn't silver) Nice example of MD tho! |
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I think they are technically errors they are just common errors There are some series where die clashes (undoubtedly a mint error - or perhaps technically variety, because they are die events) are so common that they aren't particularly collectable. Machine Doubling is similar. |
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(1965 isn't silver)  |
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I agree with the consensus conclusions:
- Yes, it's a mint error because of how/where/when it occurred
- Doesn't make it valuable, and doesn't really open any can of worms I am aware of (though I'm not into errors, so maybe that's off base)
Ultimately, the market will determine what is valuable or not, regardless of semantics, classifications schemes, etc.
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