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Pillar of the Community
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I'm sure some kind soul opened their bag of 2021 MOR and released them into the wild.  |
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Australia
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Machin, what do you think are the odds are of finding the last $2 coins you need in circulation compared to finding a 2021 MOR?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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The RAM has been sitting on these 2021 MORs for 3 years.  Quote:
Machin, what do you think are the odds are of finding the last $2 coins you need in circulation compared to finding a 2021 MOR? Considering this fresh influx of 2021 MORs, I reckon I have more chance of finding the $1. Dollar coins are far less scrutinised by the general public than coloured $2 coins. Too many people are snaffling any $2 with paint on it. Edited by MachinMachinMan
02/24/2024 11:05 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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swap bags are the bags / satchels that the RAM swap for face value at pop up shops. Thanks jens coins, You are a real source of information,  I suspect you are withholding coin secrets.  
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Valued Member
Australia
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All the coin information I know is already on the internet. Edited by jens coins
02/25/2024 01:35 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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All the coin information I know is already on the internet. Will the upcoming Moonee Ponds coin fair have these bundles available?  Will the Perth Stamp and Coin Show also have 2021 MOR bags for $20? 
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Valued Member
Australia
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The Moonee Ponds coin fair won't as the RAM is not attending it.
The RAM couldn't tell me on Friday if they were attending the Perth Stamop and coin show, but they did attend one last year at the end of the year.
The RAM will be attending the Royal Easter Show at the end of March so will probably have them there.
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Australia
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I'm a bit confused. The RAM apparently stopped selling bags of coins through their website at face value for tax reasons or something like that. However they can swap (sell) them at face value at 'pop up' venues and that is different? I'm also confused about how/why they can get away with the misleading information published on their website relating to the number of coins minted for circulation. Is there a difference between coins minted for circulation (released at face value through banks) and those bagged up and released at 'pop up' venues or to selected ebay sellers? I can't see anyone buying coins from sellers on ebay to use them as circulating coins. Or am I missing something? |
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thanks gens coins and others. The question for me now is - how many 2021 UNC mint sets did the RAM produce ( I only have the 2020 30th edition copy of the RENNIKS at the moment ) 80,000 - 100,000 ? It seems reasonable now to assume that the RAM's mintage figures for the 2021 $1 MoR's cannot only be 160,000 coins. Many - too many - people paid up to around $95 for 1 x 2021 $1 MoR's Your thoughts please, and the final mintage figures for the 2021 UNC sets. I remember that late 2005 it was thought by most that there wouldn't be any 2005 $1 MoR's minted/available. The very first auction on ebay at the end of February 2006 for 1 x 2005 $1 MoR's got $301. I have a copy of this ebay auction. I was stunned !! The next few auctions after that one didn't get $301 per coin but got a very good return for a 2005 $1 MoR's.,,$100 or so plus. I don't know if it happens now, but In ebay's long passed glory days, the seller was allowed to send 2nd chance offers. But not long after, one seller listed the 2005 $1 MoR's RAM roll. He or she would have easily got $1000 plus for 1 x 2005 $1 RAM roll had they not foolishly shown 3 x 2005 $1 RAM rolls in the one photo...... Most of us here are savvy enough to have listed a photo of only 1 x 2005 $1 MoR's RAM roll with an emphasis on rarity, etc, in the description.
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Valued Member
Australia
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The RAM annaul report for 2021 - 2022 has:
$1 Standard Design - JC Effigy 2021 Aluminium Bronze 0.024M minted
You have to look at the annual reports over several years to get the final mintage of each coin.
the 2020 - 2021 annual report has:
1 Standard Design - JC Effigy 2021 Aluminium Bronze 0.100M minted
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The RAM apparently stopped selling bags of coins through their website at face value for tax reasons or something like that. However they can swap (sell) them at face value at 'pop up' venues and that is different? Selling bags of coins through website and then sending them to you through some mailservice: That's pure and simple selling/buying an item. VAT (or however you Aussies call it) must be paid. Swapping in person at a ''pop up'' event: You are just exchanging cash in person. Five One Dollar coins for a $5 banknote (or whatever you can buy at the event. I think you get my drift). Hence, no VAT because you are not buying, just exchanging, 1:1. Remember, you cannot pay for the coins with a debit or credit card at such an event because then you are buying, the RAM is selling. Then you would have to pay VAT.
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02/25/2024 1:06 pm
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Valued Member
Australia
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Hi Redlock, thanks for that explanation. Makes it sound like the RAM is being dodgy and dealing in cash to avoid paying tax. Might be stuffed if we become a cashless society?
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Pillar of the Community
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Makes it sound like the RAM is being dodgy and dealing in cash to avoid paying tax. Exactly.
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Valued Member
Australia
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thanks, gens coins.
The RAM's FINAL production figures for 2022 won't be avaiable until the 2023/2024 Annual Report is released this year, usually around November. The cutoff date for the RAM's production figures is 30th June of any year. So the production for some 2022 coins continues for a few months after the 30th June cutoff date until the production of the 2023 coins start .
I recently read that the RAM corrected a few of their mintage figures dating back to 2018.
I have just again checked the RAM's " uncirculated coins production " section which ( still ) states that 160,000 2021 $1 MoR's were minted. The lastest entry there includes production figures of all denominations up to 2022. I'll check if there is an updated version which includes all the mintage figures up to 2023 and put in my favourites.
I'm very interested in the figures you gave from the RAM's 2021/2022 Annual report for :-
$1 Standard Design - JC Effigy 2021 Aluminium Bronze 0.024 M mnted
Yet the figures from the RAM's 2020/2021 Annual Report state that there were 0.100 M minted?
It appears likely that from the 1st of July 2021 the RAM continued minting an additional 0.024M 2021 $1 MOR's coins ( after the 30th June 2021 cutoff date ) and the additional 0.024 M coins minted was all that was included in the RAM's 2021/2022 Annual Report.
Yet, there was supposed to have been 160,000 minted ?
MMM I'm hopeful that the RAM fesses up and tells us the REAL final production figure for the 2021 $1 MoR's is far more than only 160,000.
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