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You Versus PCGS - 1798 Large Cent (Grade Revealed)

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 Posted 06/30/2022  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
did I say I hate trueview's?

2nd hair style. VF30
looks like an old old cleaning and retone and should be acceptable however with trueview pics thats a toss-up
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 Posted 06/30/2022  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GMS5 to your friends list
I'll say VF-30, possibly VF-25 and straight grade.
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 Posted 06/30/2022  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
VF-30 straight grade.
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 Posted 06/30/2022  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WheatBack to your friends list
This one got a disappointing grade of VF20..
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 Posted 06/30/2022  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
I am not sure how one could justify a VF-30+ grade, but VF-20 seems about right to me.
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 Posted 06/30/2022  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
The coin details look better than VF20. Maybe it was net graded because of an old cleaning. I would also be disappointed with a grade of VF20. I would consider cracking it out and sending it to NGC.
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 Posted 06/30/2022  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t25135 to your friends list
Vf20? Note to self, don't bid on raw coins until I get better at my opinion of grading. Guess it's good for me that this section of the forum exists!
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 Posted 06/30/2022  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Disappointing for sure, but a beautiful example in any event.
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 Posted 07/01/2022  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
can you post in hand photos?

trueview photos must be way off on this one. this coin is not VF20. even an novice can see that. way too much detail there. I have 98 graded VF30 with more wear than this one graded by PCGS. I had this at VF35 and dropped it to VF30 due to trueview which I normally do.

when every CCF member graded this at VF30/35 something is not right. luckily the value difference is not a huge amount...maybe $200.

another example of Grade the coin...ignore the slab


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 Posted 07/01/2022  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list


From the (Not So)True Views, that's no 20.
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even an novice can see that.

Well, I guess that means I need to look at more large cents!
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Well, I guess that means I need to look at more large cents!


sorry for the slap jacrispies
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 Posted 07/02/2022  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list

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Well, I guess that means I need to look at more large cents!


Nopers. We all need to see more in-hands and less True Views. The True Views make it impossible to know the surface conditions and to assign a net grade accurately. A TV 30 could be a real world 12 and a TV RB could be BN/RD in hand any day. It's just an other day in the TPG casino.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list

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sorry for the slap jacrispies

No worries, everyone needs a slap every once in a while.


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We all need to see more in-hands and less True Views.

That's it! I need to buy more large cents!!!
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 Posted 07/02/2022  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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Nopers. We all need to see more in-hands and less True Views. The True Views make it impossible to know the surface conditions and to assign a net grade accurately. A TV 30 could be a real world 12 and a TV RB could be BN/RD in hand any day. It's just an other day in the TPG casino.


Agreed Fortcollins!

Also would recommend getting a copy of the Early American Coppers Grading Guide book. It's a great resource to grading these challenging coins even a small section on the really tough colonial coinage too.

A post listing the book and a neat early copper video by Bill Eckberg.

http://goccf.com/t/404457
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See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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