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Pillar of the Community
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I agree, this is post mint damage.
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I agree, it looks like coin wrapper damage
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ok now that makes sense but who comes back and fills in the void that makes no sense seems. I only say that because the ones I have have the void in the coin not "filled in". Anyhoo thanks
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Also in the posting about them it says that they leave "Deep Gouges" just like I thought they dont go back and "Fill Them In"
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Can anyone tell me who fills them in seems like a lot of work to do that "Fill in the Void" I read up on the Coin Wrapper thing and I can't find anything anywhere about anyone filling them in just pictures of them with deep "voids/gouges".
Thanks again all ill be waiting to see a response still stumped on this only because I have 3 with gouges/voices and even the info on them says "gouges" uggghhhh. xoxoxo thanks all
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The gouges get "filled in" from being circulated or handled. John1  Edited by John1
08/05/2022 04:18 am
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I could totally understand the gouges getting filled in with gunk and whatever else over time. Especially since 1945, with that said these are raised and are made of the same material as the copper please see pic. In picture 1 you can see it start small then gets thicker and it does so gradually and semantically.  In this next picture look at the red arrows if you look at the actual wheat stock and then the "extra" one they are made of the same material same size and same grooming marks.  In this next picture you can see its not filler its the same metal, semetrical, and even has same patina. I have top looking down and then from the front    So from the picture just above you can clearly see its not "filler" that has just filled in the void.(In my opinion. Lastly is a closeup of the metal I took it to pawn shop and they put the lil gun on it and its copper (both parts). So I'm at a loss still guys really sorry.  |
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Last picture just another closeup  and from the top you can see the original wheat stock, where it looks like it tore kind of amd then the extra one. I totally get the coin roll crimper thing but if need be I'll wash this coin amd then do a side by side for you guys and gals to see that thats not what it is its not "filler" its the same metal, the same patina, and semetrical throughout. If it is when I clean it, it should all just come off and be flat ? and it shouldn't be shined up copper. What do you all think? (should I spot clean a section with a q tip just to show its same and not filler? I really wanna try it kinda cause this is going to bug me until I know 100% now that I know its not just 70 years of gunk that build up perfectly and even spaced itself perfect and semetrically about as perfect as you can get, especially being that tiny thats at almost what 1000X magnification I think. I can put another picture of a coin roller crimper next to and I promise you it is night and day difference. But I will do whatever you want. Again nothing but love for you all I'm just really confused with this "Filler" it just doesn't make sense for copper to fill up so semtrically and throughout it just doesn't. Much love xoxo and thank you all for being patient. I really do k ow about crenulation and coins reading edges in coin bags and all that making marks on the coins I have some and those 2 are different those are voids going into the coin not ontop. Edited by Aliabeans
08/05/2022 08:04 am
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This is a different view of the front another reason I'm not seeing Filler its just to semtrical and its the same metal it is copper. I was tested at pawn shop.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Look at the two red circled areas of my pic, I marked up. This is metal from the coin. Sometimes, when it's damaged, it gets stood up, the metal has to go somewhere, as I've shown and can still be attached to the coin. Sometimes it's real thin and does not take much to fold it over but can still be raised above the fields of the coin, This was what I was trying to show you. It wouldn't have to happen exactly like I showed you but was just trying to demonstrate how this can happen. As I said in my earlier post, I've seen them smoothed to the point, it looks almost like a die crack. Your coin, from the looks of it, has not been in circulation as much as a typical cent from 1945, so not as much smoothing over has occurred. Hope this helps some.  -makecents-
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Maybe think of it like this.
When construction crews bury pipe lines and then put the dirt back into the cut, it is never the same height as the ground around it, but it is the same amount of material. That's why you see a raised area in a coin due to coin wrapper damage, especially a coin made out of a softer material. There is a gouge that leaves a raised edge that over time in circulation is rolled back over the cut/gouge.
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All I'm going to say is thanks to everyone that has chimed in. I will post pictures with the results of the metal test and pictures that are even closer. With 3 other coins that have this coin roll thing and then Ill have this one between them. I am horrible at trying to explain what it is that I'm seeing and what I'm being told it is. My brain #129504; isn't letting me believe that this is buildup of whatever from years in circulation thst filled the void (that was one answer I was given) and my brain won't let belive that a coin roll thing folded over over time and made perfect lines the same height and width while not scratching the coin anywhere on it only where it perfectly filled itself. Lastly my pee brain since I had the pawn shop do a metal test on it with this little expensive star trek laser do hickey thing and I was told that whatever the additonal raised area is ....is 100% copper. Tha k you all and I promise I won't ask anymore questions on this until I have the side by side comparisons done and I'll post them. I have a few new coins with deep voids and some with light and some that are older , in any case all of them are voids and nowhere near like this. Until then happy hunting all love ya....even with this lik wierd brain. lol
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Oh and @ "Makecents" Depending on the microscope at the college I will see if we can remove a part of it to see if it "folded" over. or if we can just pull off a piece of it. If by some pea brain chance I do and its smooth like a baby's butt then #128527; I guess .....well I guess I find out then. Chow! xoxo and you don't have to draw pictures I'm not completely without IQ lol. But the thought was appreciated just want you to know.
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Aliabeans, even without knowing what your IQ is, I would almost guarantee that mine is much, much lower, than yours. That's why I use pictures to explain.  -makecents-
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@Alia your : #129504; Iq do not tell me nothing. Must be a new crazy way of scales. We was test on 1 - 120 (Einstein was test on). I thing the IQ do not have nothing to do with your coin. The IQ test it is just to see how an individual is able to use his knowledge and apply in real time. All the humans has the same amount of the grey cells and only the social and economic environments where they grow and educate make difference. Exceptions are.
Lets go to the basic of the topic. I read all the answers, your comments, (pls. do not be frustrated). Please do not try to take out this trace because you will really ruin a nice coin. What you miss from the begin it is knowledge of the Mint process for those years, how they do and what they use for production..
Go to the basic: 1942 till 1976 the Mint use the old Mint presses due to the war time requirement of fast presses need for wae production. Those presses was slower, vertical presses and need more grease then the new one. what I see on your coin it is:
Few strikes before your coin, the last strip of the wheat dislocate and glue on the Die (Anvil- bottom Die). Then some strikes at in time at 55 tones come (bronze alloy) in the game. the strip move a little bit up and made an incuse marc in the Die. In time the Dies was done from recycle metal and not the really Dies alloy. After this they strike and voila you has the coin with perfect angle and curve like the last wheat. Is not big philosophy, it is things happened.
How could be attribute? Have no idea. I know better attribute the design varieties then this factual event. How manny could be find?: unknow. Other thing it is the Die - Anvil show signs of fatigue.
Hope this Ok for you for the moment. No need for an medical Micro.
Nice find.
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08/05/2022 5:47 pm
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Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
