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1970 S/S Large Date Lincoln Memorial Cent? Machine Or Die Doubling?

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 Posted 02/18/2009  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jazzcoins to your friends list
The coin is not a doubled die it;s a form of Machine Doubling and some DDD mixed in ,and it looks like a large date to me

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 Posted 02/18/2009  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list
and great pictures
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 Posted 02/19/2009  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list

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The coin is not a doubled die it;s a form of Machine Doubling and some DDD mixed in


While I can't comment on the validity of this statement as I'm not a variety collector, I can help with the acronym used here. I believe Jazz is using DDD to refer to Die Deterioration Doubling. Just thought I'd include this since the original poster stated that they are new to collecting. Sometimes new members will not ask what they mean as they already feel like they are imposing on us. Having said that, please try to use full nomenclature when posting, especially to newer members. Note that this comment is not pointed directly at you Jazz, but to all of our experienced collectors. It saves future posts to explain our shortcuts.
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 Posted 02/19/2009  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MyKidsCoins to your friends list
Thanks for the clarification on DDD ( Die Deterioration Doubling). I read a few post on Machine Doubling and found excellent descriptions from many members here. I am trying to gather some coins to use as reference, pictures are ok, but actual coin examples will help with the learning curve.
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 Posted 02/19/2009  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jazzcoins to your friends list
Sorry about that tights 24 I will be more specific in my terminology for the novices your right/

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 Posted 02/19/2009  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
No need for an apology Jazz. We are all guilty of writing quickly and using numismatic terminology in general. It was more a post to make sure folks know that this is very much a learning site and abbreviations may be difficult and not understood at first.

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 Posted 02/19/2009  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
Novices? Hmmm...I think 99.9% of us are novices here, unless we're otherwise recognized by the numismatic community.
All I know is that I'm such a novice--and anything I say here is open to dispute and correction (of course). Above all, I'm here to learn.
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 Posted 02/19/2009  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
1970-S/S-Large-Date-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent?-Machine-Or-Die-Doubling?
Also check out the bottom leg of the 7. On the large date it is much lower than the small date.
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 Posted 02/19/2009  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
great pics Coop!
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 Posted 02/20/2009  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list
Great pictures, Coop, could it be said that on the topic of small/large date 1970-S cents the number 9 will always have pointed ends? Being a novice my self I thought I would ask!
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 Posted 02/20/2009  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Here are examples from 4 different dies. They seem to look that way.
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 Posted 02/20/2009  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list
As usual Great photos and information, also it would seem that they do have "pointed ends", thanks......
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 Posted 02/20/2009  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
I would add to Coops' info, in that, after time, the wear,and tear on the coins will make it very hard to be sure, but another feature will be very difficult to change is the position of the "7" in realtion to the level line of the digits. The large is always low, while the small is even with the other digits.
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 Posted 02/20/2009  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
I've also found it hard to distinguish a SD/LD by the tops of the digits.
I almost solely go by the shape of the 9 and 7, as well as the downstroke of the 7 against the 0.
This writeup was really helpful for me to correctly distinguish the two types.
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 Posted 02/21/2009  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list
Thx, Kurt. I was pretty familiar with most of these diagnostics but the length of the down stroke in comparison was not one that I was familiar with. It would seem to be very indicative no matter the condition. I agree, the straight line method across the top of the date has been problematic at best for me. The flatish loop on the nine and weak liberty have always been my fallback determiners.

Jim
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