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Valued Member
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The coin is not a doubled die it;s a form of Machine Doubling and some DDD mixed in ,and it looks like a large date to me Jazec
Edited by Jazzcoins 02/18/2009 10:04 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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 and great pictures 
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:The coin is not a doubled die it;s a form of Machine Doubling and some DDD mixed in While I can't comment on the validity of this statement as I'm not a variety collector, I can help with the acronym used here. I believe Jazz is using DDD to refer to Die Deterioration Doubling. Just thought I'd include this since the original poster stated that they are new to collecting. Sometimes new members will not ask what they mean as they already feel like they are imposing on us. Having said that, please try to use full nomenclature when posting, especially to newer members. Note that this comment is not pointed directly at you Jazz, but to all of our experienced collectors. It saves future posts to explain our shortcuts. 
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Valued Member
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Thanks for the clarification on DDD ( Die Deterioration Doubling). I read a few post on Machine Doubling and found excellent descriptions from many members here. I am trying to gather some coins to use as reference, pictures are ok, but actual coin examples will help with the learning curve.
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Valued Member
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Sorry about that tights 24 I will be more specific in my terminology for the novices your right/ Jazec
Edited by Jazzcoins 02/19/2009 10:06 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No need for an apology Jazz. We are all guilty of writing quickly and using numismatic terminology in general. It was more a post to make sure folks know that this is very much a learning site and abbreviations may be difficult and not understood at first. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Novices? Hmmm...I think 99.9% of us are novices here, unless we're otherwise recognized by the numismatic community.  All I know is that I'm such a novice--and anything I say here is open to dispute and correction (of course). Above all, I'm here to learn.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 Also check out the bottom leg of the 7. On the large date it is much lower than the small date.
Edited by coop 02/19/2009 6:01 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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great pics Coop! 
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Pillar of the Community
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Great pictures, Coop, could it be said that on the topic of small/large date 1970-S cents the number 9 will always have pointed ends? Being a novice my self I thought I would ask!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Here are examples from 4 different dies. They seem to look that way. 
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Pillar of the Community
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As usual Great photos and information, also it would seem that they do have "pointed ends", thanks...... 
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Pillar of the Community
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I would add to Coops' info, in that, after time, the wear,and tear on the coins will make it very hard to be sure, but another feature will be very difficult to change is the position of the "7" in realtion to the level line of the digits. The large is always low, while the small is even with the other digits. Dick
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I've also found it hard to distinguish a SD/LD by the tops of the digits. I almost solely go by the shape of the 9 and 7, as well as the downstroke of the 7 against the 0. This writeup was really helpful for me to correctly distinguish the two types.
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Thx, Kurt. I was pretty familiar with most of these diagnostics but the length of the down stroke in comparison was not one that I was familiar with. It would seem to be very indicative no matter the condition. I agree, the straight line method across the top of the date has been problematic at best for me. The flatish loop on the nine and weak liberty have always been my fallback determiners.
Jim
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