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The Re-Engraved Bowtie 1971-S LMC (Odv-028 & RDV-002, MMS-007)

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 Posted 09/17/2022  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
@MAKECENTS: Do you want to kill me with this sky hypothesis of re-engraved an S coin after 1965? First for your knowledge: The San Francisco Mint do not have the facility to rework or produce Dies. All are done in Denver from 1965. 1965 till 1969 some was done in Phil but after NO. San Francisco can re-polish but not more. I have no idea from where you take those information's which for me seem to be only some busting false tools to but some prices.

The re-engraving Dies go till 1960. After very few was re-engraved. the cost for this operation was to high comparative to reuse other Dies.

You put a photo of 1960 and COOP of 1953 which could be legitimate or qualify for re-engraved Dies, and even there is very disputable legitims.

I thing we imagine to much instead to focus of the reality.

Please read my previous post here to understand what is involve in an re-engraving. the Mint will not pay for this when the cost of a penny production is 1.79 cents
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 Posted 09/17/2022  03:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chgk1628 to your friends list
Thanks guys for your opinions!
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 Posted 09/17/2022  07:58 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...rieties.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> br / Sorry, silviosi. I got my pics mixed up last night when posting on two different threads but is fixed now. The closeup is of the same coin as the new pic I uploaded just now, of a 1971 D that is re-engraved. I think I have a P too but will have to do some digging. Did you refer to the VV link I gave you? It shows that there were re-engraved dies for all three mints. Scroll down to ODV-028. LINK http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...arieties.htm Then scroll down to RDV-008. LINK http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...arieties.htm
You would need a nice example to be able to tell if it had the RDV-008 reverse though, in my oppinion.
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 Posted 09/17/2022  08:34 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
chgk1628, maybe this will help you see.

The-Re-Engraved-Bowtie-1971-S--LMC--Odv-028-&-RDV-002,-MMS-007
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 Posted 09/17/2022  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Comparing the die states, shows that this die that struck this coin, was polished, probably to remove a clash mark, and weakened the bow tie. That is what you are seeing on your coin.
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 Posted 09/17/2022  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chgk1628 to your friends list
In my opinion I think my example's bowtie outline structure ratio was more closer to the ODV-028 than makecents'.
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 Posted 09/17/2022  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chgk1628 to your friends list
After directly compare with VV's ODV-027,I found Makecents-ODV-028 outline structure ratio looks almost the same as VV's ODV-027.
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 Posted 09/17/2022  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list

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Comparing the die states, shows that this die that struck this coin, was polished, probably to remove a clash mark, and weakened the bow tie. That is what you are seeing on your coin.
coop, I'm assuming you are referring to the OP's coin, if so, I agree, completely. Mine is definitely a re-engraved coin, even with my extreme noviceness, I see this.
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I certainly have to say Makescents matches VV ODV-028 pretty well, even to these old peepers.
The Re-engraving is easy to see.
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 Posted 09/18/2022  06:49 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
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 Posted 09/20/2022  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chgk1628 to your friends list
Here were two different ODV of the1971 LMC that I found in my coin bank. In my view the Denver's variety was VV's ODV-028 and the Phil's one was ODV-027. Am I right?
The-Re-Engraved-Bowtie-1971-S--LMC--Odv-028-&-RDV-002,-MMS-007
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 Posted 09/20/2022  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
For every body here: I will put the table of the MM's


Mint Branch Mint Mark Years Mark Used
Carson City (NV) CC 1870-1893
Charlotte (NC) C 1838-1861
Dahlonega (GA) D 1838-1861
Denver (CO) D 1906-Present
New Orleans (LA) O 1838-1861, 1879-1909
Philadelphia (PA) P 1942-45, 1979-Present
San Francisco (CA) S 1854-1955, 1968-Present
West Point (NY) W 1984-Present

Hope you will remember forever.
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 Posted 09/20/2022  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chgk1628 to your friends list
Thanks for your information! Silvio.
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 Posted 09/21/2022  01:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Deecoinguy to your friends list
I just logged on and glad I clicked on this post learned so much on polishing and re~engraving which I never really knew to look for, I am very thankful to be getting so much coin knowledge from you coin experts even if not all agree on topic attribution are variety just reading the discussion of the topic you can learn many other things that are just as important almost like 2 lawyers opening statement lol
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 Posted 09/21/2022  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
I want to be be clear here: Was not re-engraved Die for this year, just re-punches working Dies. Please folks, we have to stop compare years with other years. VV it is a good start to look, but them show just they see not more, this do not mean could not be others things.

this coin it is a clear re-punch Die. Some will accept , others not. By Mint docs. was re-punched Dies in order to finish the production. That's is that' all.
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