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Talk About A Crap Show- Counterfeit 1881-CC Morgans In Various Certed Fake Holders

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 Posted 12/18/2022  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Another tip, doesn't always work but something in your "wall of defense", is check the barcode with a free QR reader. In the above examples, even the crappy HA image is readable, the fake is not, and you can clearly see just by looking that the fake barcode doesn't match.
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 Posted 12/18/2022  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
If a PCGS coin is reholdered will the cert number change or be the same?
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 Posted 12/19/2022  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
Good point kbbpll; I actually use one and many of the best counterfeit holders scan; the one above did not...

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jimbucks, yes, new cert number; I report these on PCGS' CU page and they have stated that as they deactivate certs.

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 Posted 12/20/2022  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
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 Posted 12/20/2022  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list

The ebay listing above has the same reverse CC die that has been around for over 5 years that comes out of China with the scratch on the eagle's breast and bump above the D in dollar.



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 Posted 12/20/2022  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
Thank you Slider23; I saw your link to that discussion and matched these "latest" ones to those as you stated.

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The mintmark also doesn't look to match the known 1881-CC Vams either...


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 Posted 12/22/2022  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
Previous listing was removed; I spend a little time each day trying to weed these out!
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 Posted 12/26/2022  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
Well, a new approach to selling these- break them out of the bad holders and offer them for $150 a pop as a money clip...


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Genuine image just as a sanity check!

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 Posted 12/26/2022  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
I don't get it. What is the point of showing a (fake) slabbed coin when all you're selling is the money clip? I guess if a buyer is dumb enough to think a) it's real and b) it grades MS64 just because there's a picture of a slabbed coin, then they get what they deserve.
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 Posted 12/26/2022  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
The counterfeit seller's business plan could use a little improvement. Why would any legit seller take a $800 coin and crack it out, then, mount the coin to a money clip and sell at $149?
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 Posted 12/26/2022  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
Well, with all of the publicity of the bad "Morgan" Morgan '81-CC's they are buying at $40 a pop he has decided to try to get more by selling them attached to money clips- didn't say this one was the sharpest tool out there!

I asked if he had any other dates and he has bad 1883-CC's as well; matched his to another bad one with the same reverse as the '81-CC's and same bad holder but no "Morgan" on the label of this one...

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 Posted 12/27/2022  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Well, a new approach to selling these- break them out of the bad holders and offer them for $150 a pop as a money clip...
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 Posted 12/28/2022  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
And the Bay blight continues this morning...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1755515414...9SR-jytYirYQ
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 Posted 12/28/2022  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
One of the reasons why none of my 1500 or so coins are slabbed, despite nearly 50 years of collecting.
Other reasons have to do with display and storage.

As an aside,
if a slabbed coin is suspected as being fake, it is necessary to crack the slab to investigate the coin.
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 Posted 12/28/2022  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
I contacted the seller and included an image of the genuine one; he has since ended the auction...
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