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1954 S Dime "Hot Lips"?

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 Posted 01/28/2023  03:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Melo30 to your friends list
@ Silviosi - Always appreciate the quick replies and input. So if Strike Doubling, the area around the strike would not be raised correct? To me, this looks like the 1953 and 1955 S WDDO's. I will try and get a better pic or the area left of the strike, as it is not flat.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  04:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Melo30 to your friends list
Hope these provide a little more clarity. I understand it's possible Strike Doubling around the mouth, but the forehead, I don't think so. Any idea what that is? Thanks again in advance.

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 Posted 01/28/2023  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
I think what you are see is the effect from excessive die polishing, as noted by all the heavy scratches on the field right in front of the apparent doubling.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
But you might want to get some images to see what John Wexler thinks. Nothing listed for that year/mint on the dimes. It does look interesting. On his home page he has his email address.
http://www.doubleddie.com/1801.html
Let him see what he thinks before you submit it?
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@ Dearborn, hello and thanks for your reply. Hope all is well. I was looking over die polishing and I can see where you're coming from. http://goccf.com/t/323932 My question to you is, wouldn't the die scratches, in the field by the lips/head be running east to west in some sort of manner? They are all north to south. There also aren't any weak spots, or lines missing. Hopefully this makes sense, I'm very new to this.

@ Coop, hello and thanks for the reply. I will definitely submit pics and see what Wexler thinks. It looks to similar to other "hot lip" years to not investigate further.

I will try and get some other eyes on it in person (my pics aren't the best) and see what they have to say as well.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
@ COOP: Wexler take retirement in 3 days, so him pointed to follow his legacy others.

@Melo: IMHO the forehead seem to be Hub Doubling, and in general occurred also on the ear in the same time. I could be wrong but is my opinion. You has the coin in your hands and to see better.
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I think that the long 'scratches' are from aggressive polishing my a mint technician. Notice that in front of the eye and bridge of the nose are almost polished flat to the fields, and that the scratches are only on the fields - not the device. (On a die the fields are the highest point of the die, and the design are incuse). Sometimes they will use the polishing tool to contour the profile and creates the apparent doubling I see.
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@ Silviosi - All input is welcome. When you guys respond with answers outside of my own, it forces me to learn. My pics aren't the best, so I can't expect others to see the full picture of the coin. Scope/lighting setup is crucial...I will eventually upgrade my setup. Would rather spend the money on some coins though. Haha.

@Dearborn - That makes it way easier to understand. I see what you're saying.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Melo30 to your friends list
Can you see the torch on his cheek, running through his temple?

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Interesting. I will dig around to see, but I think that I have an example of this die .
My thought was this was a combination of clash remnants (the extra bit on the bridge of the nose , and what was called abrasion doubling. The abrasion doubling, I have heard, is controversial. There is also quite a bit of support for this and other dies like it to be true hub doubled varieties.
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I suppose that is possible, seeing how already think that the die was polished to erase other marks on it (from a die clash? who knows.)
But I would need an over lay to see if that line lines up with the reverse.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
None listed for this year/mm but here is a listed dime that shows it in the same area.

LINK https://www.maddieclashes.com/adc-10c-2001p-03/
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 Posted 01/28/2023  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
@Stone: I have some from others years with hub doubling not this year. What I can say it is same design variety, so same Hub or Hubs was use. Need to be confirm. In this case I see now also the ear which seem to be hub doubling.

@DEAR; I like your reflections. They go deep on all the possibilities. Congrats for all those reflections.

For me the last photos made me stand with what I say: We have here Hub Doubling. The most difficult coin to see this it is the Dime.
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Thanks Makecents - It looks like the mark on the temple is not from the torch, if it were it would be further back on the head.
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