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Bedrock of the Community
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I did not mean to offend. I just don't believe this coin can be restored to a natural-appearing surface.
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@ Dowhat Please do not be on defense with me. They are a few who has almost same marks on upper MM. For your coins I need better pic where I told you. If upper are almost similar, the bottom made the big difference. I do not go with people if are rusty or no in this hobby. I go by coin, notes, stamps, artifact. I start a day long time and I learn every time.
You I see are very passionate and learning, discovering and analyzing. For me mean at one point this hobby will expand his legacy.
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Lawest you show MMoo1 not the 006 Revise please. what it is scarce for you to state this? The VV site? sorry you are far.
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Here is what I have learned. According to VV, three punches were used that year. 1. MMS-004 Serif/Trumpet tail, 2. MMS-004 Ball Serif, with flat end on tail, 3. MMS-007,Sans serif. VV notes that MM-006 is "scarce". This can be illustrated by the fact that of the 52 attributed RPM's on Coppercoins, only one MMS-006 is listed, that being 01-025. The Coin I presented is not 01-025. Appears to be MMS-006 but that in itself does not make your coin scarce. The scarce MMS-006 is the die with the inverted mint mark. where the ball is on bottom. Here is the VV listing . Latest, stating it is not scarce contradicts VV analysis. You point to the 1946 S (inverted). The only example of an inverted MM for LWC. You are incorrect in stating that this coin is scarce. It is in fact extremely rare! Perhaps due to the fact that it happens to be the scarce to find MMS-006, Ball Serif as you pointed out. Were it MMS-004 or MMS-007 that was inverted many more examples of the variety would exist compared to MMS-006. I have cleaned the mintmark up a bit and have no doubt it is MMS-006. Silviosi, the area you circled is not the focal point. It may appear to you to be a RPM but that is not the issue here. As I stated earlier, CC lists only one RPM for MMS-006 and this it not it. I believe what you are pointing out is a characteristic of the punch. Granted, the coin is not in great shape, none the less a bit hard to acquire. I was never aware of it until now. Perhaps I will come across a nicer one in the future now that I know to look for it. |
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I've always understood the 1946 S mintmark to show up in one of three styles:
MMS-004 which has a straight serif with a trumpet tail
MMS-007 which is a sans serif version
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MMS-006 which normally has the trumpet tail on the lower left and the ball serif on the upper right.
However, I've also always understood that the MMS-006 only shows up in 1946 as an Inverted Mint Mark. In other words, every 1946 S with MMS-006 will show the ball serif in the lower left and the trumpet tail in the upper right (Inverted).
Variety Vista's listing for MMS is confusing because it shows a photo of the ball and serif version of the MM, but that is because it's showing us how the non-inverted MM appears on the 1944 and 1945 cents.
When that page lists 1946 it's with the term Inverted as a hyperlink next to it that if you click on will show you only the inverted MM for 1946.
I suspect what you have is an MMS-004 that has undergone some circulation flattening to make the serif look fatter and more ball like.
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It does look like MMS-006. Like you mentioned, Coppercoins has 1MM-025 listed with this this style mint mark. In the "Value Information" CC gives a MS-65 example of that RPM a $12 value. I would think if this MMS is truly scarce there would be a much higher value placed on a RPM version in MS-65 condition.
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When is come to this IMM me I always used this photo table montage I done as reference. From my prospectus this coin do not meet the IMM criteria.  Edited by silviosi
04/18/2023 3:38 pm
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This is 006 no doubt. As Lawest posted it is less common than 004. That said the 1 that is rare is the inverted 006. Silviosi, you are showing 3 inverted mm?
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@CU:
I show 4 inverted and one normal Upper all are inverted.
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I am not quite sure what the misunderstanding is here. VV clearly notates that MMS-006 is scarce on the 1946. So scarce in fact that Coppercoins list only one RPM for MMS-006. That is 01-025 and it is clearly "not" inverted. This negates the assumption that all 1946S with Ball Serif are inverted. Correct? Silviosi, there is no assumption here of 1946 S w/ Inverted Ball Serif. When I see Red, Blue, or Pink on VV, It raises my eyebrows. I am not suggesting that this is a valuable coin. That is a minor part of my pursuit. I was only trying to point out that there are obviously less examples of this MMS than the other 2. And! if you recognize the difference, the inverted example makes more sense.  |
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MMS-007 Sans.  . Unmistakable even in this condition. |
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You cleaned up that MM quite well, As I stated earlier, nice find for this MM-006. And kudos for you to stick with it.
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I do not know guys. Look at VV MM-006 is on on face then when you click on the year is other game.
Great job with the coin. I recommend if you can have de-ionized water to boil and soak the coin in. Like this you can inhibit the organic what left left.
You has the coin in hand. What it is W of MM and S of 9? Die chip, strange form and never see before.
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04/19/2023 12:42 am
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Ignore that last reply. Just go to the search box and enter 1946 S Lincoln ball serif MM.
The first reply from coppercoins to the OP should bring this topic to a close.
Thanks Dearborn. Persistence leads to knowledge.
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