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Few bargains on these and some report much remorse...go with a PCGS straight graded example even old Mr. Q. David Bowers says "I highly suggest purchase of certified examples only" I'm entitled to spout off because a dealer in Portland ripped me off with a genuine cleaned 1909 S v.d.b. back in 2016 they were alot cheaper in 2016 but that cleaned coin stuck in my craw.
There's something off and weird about that S...ask seller to ship it to ANAC's on 5 day turn around.
Edited by luvmyCAM
07/11/2023 3:03 pm
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I agree that the area surrounding the mm appears to be tooled but the upper loop of the S appears to have the diagnostic lump. I'd like to see a better closeup of the MM. For a high grade rare date, why hasn't it already been slabbed? Gotta wonder what is going on.
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Hard pass
The mint mark area stands out like a sore thumb, sketchy.
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I agree the patch of striations behind the S is suspicious, but I still think it's genuine. Obviously, a certified example is the safe way to go.
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I am suspicious of the "grind" marks surrounding the mint mark. Quote:
looks like it has tooling marks Quote:
sketchy These marks are very common on genuine die #4 coins. These are die "polishing" marks put on by a mint employee.  Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Thanks, nss-52, that comparison is very helpful!
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Looks genuine to me. Match on the die scratches nss pointed out. Majority of what surrounds the MM are metal flow lines. Not seeing any signs of tooling.
AU sharpness, but surfaces don't look original, AU Details, cleaned.
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I'm still on the fence. The S doesn't look as smooth as it should for a genuine coin. The S on the authentic coins has no rough edges, the op coin has rough edges. This is one I would only buy if it's certified.
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Bedrock of the Community
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The enlarged top serif on the S is worrisome to me.
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07/11/2023 9:52 pm
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That was a great comparison NSS. I think it is genuine as well.
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If you send it to get graded and it comes back counterfeit, I'll pay your grading fee.
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I would take nss on his offer. If it's genuine your good, if it's fake you didn't pay for Authentication.
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Interested in how this ends up. I personally don't have enough expertise to offer an informed opinion on authenticity.
Thanks @nss for providing that die polishing comparison - IMO that takes the tooled mintmark question off the table.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm also going to put this one in the obv die#4 box and think it is genuine. an 09S VDB at this grade should have been authenticated so its a little concerning why it isn't.
too much glare to see all the surfaces properly but the coin could grade as high as AU50. if you can post photos showing the surfaces better without glare to determine if it would grade straight. just me but I'm thinking there is a chance that the coin was slabbed and came back cleaned and was broken out. seen that before.
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 Thanks for the comparison, @nss-52. I'm also confident it's genuine. The risk in buying this and sending it for grading is that it might come back genuine details. |
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