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Pillar of the Community
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I understand yours point of view.Please look at the OP pic crop and better resolution. The lines are raise. An woody coins surface is not lines raise.  Edited by silviosi
11/11/2023 6:40 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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With respect, I do not understand your English and do not understand what you are saying.  |
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What I say: The lines we see are raised and the woody coins planchet do not has this characteristic.
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@shantiom: are the lines on the obverse raised above the fields or even with it?
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Yup, I concur that this is a classic "woody" improper alloy mix as I have several nice examples in my collection. From the pictures given, it appears that the obverse texture is wavy, but methinks it is an optical trick of the light...  The coin itself could have a weak strike issue on both sides. |
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wow, the lines are raised above the fields? what does this mean...I had to look through a 16x loupe, but the periphery of the obverse had almost a rust look to it at the beginning of the stripes but the alloy does not maintain an elevated position as the stripe traverses the obverse of the coin to the opposite side. So is this a doctored woody and therefore is just PMD from a harsh cleaning or some other environmental damage---this will force me to look at the other coins I classified as wood grain alloy mix error. Edited by shantiom
11/14/2023 9:41 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Please, just s simple answer - are the lines raised or not? Yes or no?
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IMHO, varying rates of environmental corrosion of the different metals could account for the raised lines on this "woody".
For newer members to the hobby, the accepted definition of a "woody" is an improperly mixed alloy cent. The different types of metal are blended/mixed together. When the metal is blended/mixed uneven streaks of color can be produced on a coin from oxidation as the coin ages.
Different metals on the surface can and will oxidize (toning) or corrode (damage) at different rates. The colors can be affected by different rates of oxidation and the surface can be affected by corrosion from moisture, depending on the type of metal.
Some impurities can enhance or inhibit oxidation.
(Thank you Bing for some of the finer points above.)
Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
Edited by Petespockets55
11/15/2023 04:05 am
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PETE: nice exponential with the exception: If this coin was or present metalic oxide I was one of the first to see. If it is improper mixt of alloy, first:in 98% of cases affect the both sides O and R are afected and second after the rolling, the material (future blanks) are smooth surface. So any enviromental interferences will become automaticly PMD. This coin lines are rised on complet form of I will say enviromental causes (could be included also human interferance) Sometimes we want to assume x or y coin it is an error (human behivior) but from point of view of a collector we has to be realistic and on the point. This it is no woody coin PS: Never, ever on my recall see an real woody with just the demarcation lines rised and oxided with no affect of the resr of the coin. 2. Who it is "Bing?" Edited by silviosi
11/15/2023 11:16 pm
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... If it is improper mixt of alloy, first:in 98% of cases affect the both sides O and R are afected ... So, in other words, 2% could be on one side only. Quote:... So any enviromental interferences will become automaticly PMD... I agree 100% that this coin has seen environmental damage, but a coin can be a woody and have PMD. And the environmental damage reinforces my point about corrosion having the potential to cause the surface of a coin with improperly mixed metals to corrode unevenly and produce an uneven surface since the different metals would corrode at different rates when exposed to the same environment. An XRF test on the different color metals of the obverse is probably the only way to tell if this coin is improperly mixed. IMHO, the obverse has the appearance of a woody with PMD. Not as attractive or as much contrast as most woodies. Quote:
2. Who it is "Bing?" A search engine that uses ai and competes with Google. Anyways, to these eyes, it looks like it could be a woody.  Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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Pillar of the Community
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Nice answer Pete, I apreciate.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks everyone for sharing the insights here
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Pillar of the Community
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I have read from very knowledgeable and experienced people above. For a simple minded person like myself, if the lines are raised then could it also be a woody or not?
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@ oddguy: Basic an wood coin will not have the lines rised, Only some money maker will say could be. In fact, and it is the production,, the woody it is come from partial mixt alloy. Then will be rolled same that it is the dimensions of the planchet (blanks). Somes come with the theory the coudl oxide and rise the borders. In fact was no proof for this. Theories are all around but not facts proofs. Me I srtate: this coin it is not legitim woody, and after so many theoremas I state (saw in the first) was done somewhere to simulate woody. |
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