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I'll be going back and looking at that. I'm just learning all this Very old English coinage and the lettering that is on them, so I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction.. (Sheesh! so many itsy-bitsy thing to look at to get these right..
I bought this coin way back in 1984 (40 years ago) from a shop owner in Wales UK when I lived there - he had it designated as a Edward II. I might have spent as much as 10 quid on it..
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02/19/2024 7:15 pm
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Eh - for a tenner you got quite the bargain no matter the ruler. Worth a fair bit more now, treble that at least. The quality declined in many ways as the series progressed up until Edward III.
I am a relative novice when it comes to hammered English coinage and rely heavily on the modern Delphic oracle a.k.a. Google to aid in my research!
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I'll be on the lookout for a Edward III next. You see, I'm trying to get one coin from every ruling king or queen starting from William I. I have quite a few already. I'll list them in a bit.
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02/19/2024 8:11 pm
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Here is my list so far - I 'Xed' off the ones I already have (or are in the mail to me) Hammered Coins 1066-1087 William I the Conqueror 1087-1100 William II 1100-1135 Henry I 1135-1154 Stephen 1154-1189 Henry II 1189-1199 Richard I 1199-1216 John 1216-1272 Henry III X 1272-1307 Edward I X 1307-1327 Edward II - now a Edward I..  1327-1377 Edward III 1377-1399 Richard II 1399-1413 Henry IV 1413-1422 Henry V 1422-1461 Henry VI 1461-1470 Edward IV 1470-1471 Henry VI (restored) 1471-1483 Edward IV (restored) 1483 Edward V 1483-1485 Richard III 1485-1509 Henry VII 1509-1547 Henry VIII 1547-1553 Edward VI 1553-1554 Mary I 1554-1558 Phillip and Mary I X 1558-1603 Elizabeth I X 1603-1625 James I (VI of Scotland) X 1625-1649 Charles I 1653-1659 Commonwealth 1653-1658 Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector 1658-1659 Richard Cromwell, Lord Protector X 1660-1662 Charles II Milled Coins X 1662-1685 Charles II X 1685-1688 James II X 1689-1694 William III and Mary II X 1694-1702 William III X 1702-1714 Anne X 1714-1727 George I X 1727-1760 George II X 1760-1820 George III X 1820-1830 George IV X 1830-1837 William IV X 1837-1901 Victoria X 1901-1910 Edward VII X 1910-1936 George V X 1936 Edward VIII - Had to get this one from a British Colony for this year - East Africa in this case) X 1937-1952 George VI X 1952-2022 Elizabeth II X 2022- Charles III Edited by Dearborn
02/20/2024 07:16 am
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Quite a comprehensive list. Putting together a hammered kings/queens set is quite above my income level, sadly. I didn't see Henry V on your list -- but his coins are popular with the romance around Azincourt, so they tend to get gobbled up when they appear. Edward III is a personal favorite. I would not buy any Cromwell coins that have not been authenticated and certified by a reputable dealer / firm or a US TPG such as PCGS, ANACS or NGC. Counterfeits abound and some of them are VERY difficult to distinguish from authentic coins, even for experts who have years of experience. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
02/20/2024 3:19 pm
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Henry V is there (just had a typo and gave him the same moniker as the IV (The date range was correct though... (1413-1422 Henry V)
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And I have been looking for a 'Cromwell' coin lately - haven't found a nice one yet. But thanks for the heads up on the false ones..  I'll be keeping an eye out for a graded one..  |
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I did manage to find a graded Edward II coin for sale... an NGC graded one... I'll be looking into that one tomorrow when I have fresh eyes....
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Nice list! I have been doing the same for over 20 years now and have extended back into the Saxon kings of Wessex and all England.
Some will be easy to tick off - Elizabeth I is always common, as is Edward III and Charles I.
There are no coins issued for Richard Cromwell, and there is now debate as to whether any coins can be attributed to Edward V's reign as distinguishable from Edward IV or Richard III.
Some of the others will be expensive - I still do not have Henry IV or William II after all these years because the very few that come up are way too expensive for the condition. William I, Stephen and Philip & Mary (with both portraits) will set you back quite a bit.
You have wisely omitted Lady Jane Grey, who reigned for 9 days between Edward VI and Mary I. No coins were issued in her name, but there is increasing pressure to recognise her as Queen Jane as she was legitimately crowned. (Mary, who supplanted her, was keen that she should never be recognised as a Queen.)
You could also fit Empress Matilda into your list, though any coin would cost a packet. She and Stephen fought for the realm in the mid 12th century and both had good claims to the throne, both issuing coins for their own factions.
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Thanks Paddy - great information as usual! I was wondering if Edward V would have any coins issued because of his 1 year reign, but have not yet started there yet. The rest of these coins may take another 40 years to collect..  |
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Here is my list so far - I 'Xed' off the ones I already have (or are in the mail to me) Impressive! |
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Since I see you're still looking for confirmation, I don;t know if this makes any difference, but I am seeing EDVR' at the beginning of the obverse legend, instead of EDWR' .
Maybe that's just a variant of one of the types already mentioned?
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03/04/2024 08:37 am
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Definitely a W. The W is two wedge punches with a broad base and a rounded-off inverted wedge in between pointed up; compare to the V in CIVI on the reverse, with a sharply pointed base and a hollow space between both diagonals.
The top of the left wedge punch in the W has been somewhat flattened by the rim damage in that area, but the bottom point of the wedge is clear and its leftmost diagonal is visible running up to the D in ED.
Another way to tell is to look at the spacing between ED and R and compare the size of that gap to the width of the V in CIVI.
As an aside, his name was originally spelled Eadweard in OE, and might have been pronounced something like AY-ad-vay-ard, with a very slight pause between each "e-a" and a slightly more breathy (open) final "d."
The "v" sound is preserved in the Scandinavian forms of his name (Edvard, e.g.)
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Ah, you're right. I was trying hard to see the leftmost part of the W and couldn't, and knew it couldn't be the style of W composed of two Vs which is seen on the later classes. But, you're right, the (partial) left wedge is visible at the base, and now that you point it out, I can imagine the top might have been there at one point, or there was some strike weakness on that part of the coin..
I was also looking at the extraordinarily thick "backs" of the E and G on this coin, which to me usually signals earlier rather than later.
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Thanks for that additional information. I'll get this coin out of the 2x2 and get more images of it if necessary.
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