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1998 P Quarter Wounded Eagle (Var.), Beak Die Chip, DDO, DDR, Help!

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 Posted 02/15/2024  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sickpuppy78501 to your friends list
Maybe it's a minor die break on the eagle's wing. It's definitely nothing significant.
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 Posted 02/15/2024  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Yes, it appears there's a mix of Machine Doubling and Die Deterioration Doubling involved here.
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 Posted 02/15/2024  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jack_Tractive to your friends list
Yes, the line on the reverse is raised.
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 Posted 02/15/2024  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
The 'Doubling' you see her is going in many different directions - that cannot happen of true doubled dies. This is MD combined with DDD.
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 Posted 02/15/2024  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jack_Tractive to your friends list
I also forgot to include this area. Would this be a small die chip?

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 Posted 02/15/2024  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marv65 to your friends list
The raised line on the reverse could be a die scratch - not sure if this is a known variety or not. Also - nice pictures!
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 Posted 02/15/2024  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
You has MD in both forms: mechanical Doublling and Machine Doublling. Sorry no Die Small Chip.
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 Posted 02/16/2024  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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You has MD in both forms: mechanical Doublling and Machine Doublling.


Please explain the difference. I've always considered them synonyms for encompassing the many finer types like ejection, slide, push, etc. I mean mechanical basically means the operation of a machine. Machines are mechanical.

So do the pros at Error-Ref....

https://www.error-ref.com/machine-doubling/
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 Posted 02/16/2024  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list

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@ bobby131313 said:

Please explain the difference. I've always considered them synonyms for encompassing the many finer types like ejection, slide, push, etc. I mean mechanical basically means the operation of a machine. Machines are mechanical.


Ok I will explain and you can find those worth less doubling 5 in number (I will present all 5):

From many years we like to categorise simply MD. But what could be inside this MD?

1. Machine Doublling or better say Strike Doubbling in different forms as sub-categories.

2. Mechanical Doubbling basic more on Reverse it is ejection Doubbling

3. DDD Double Die Deterioration

4. Abrassion Doubling

5. Second Strike Doubbling, this is more on proof coins, but was find also on business strike. Mike named different as I present which denomination must be took. I just explained.

So it is a difference between Strike Doubbling and Ejection Doubbling.
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 Posted 02/19/2024  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Wow. Yeah, you're probably right and ALL the Wortld experts (Mike Diamond, Robert (BJ) Neff, Jason Cuvelier, Fred Weinberg, Jon Sullivan, and J.C. Stevens) are all wrong. Please stop making stuff up.


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So it is a difference between Strike Doubbling and Ejection Doubbling.


Where did I say there was? You really need to knock this crap off, it's been happening for years. Stating misinformation as fact.

https://www.error-ref.com/machine-doubling/

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Machine doubling has many synonyms: mechanical doubling, machine doubling damage, machine damage doubling, ejection doubling, shift doubling, and strike doubling.
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 Posted 02/19/2024  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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o boy - you two..

It's getting very annoying between the misinformation and the nastiness complaints.
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 Posted 02/19/2024  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list

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It's getting very annoying between the misinformation and the nastiness complaints.

Well said, spot on....
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 Posted 02/20/2024  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
This will be my last answer to you ever:


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J.T. Stanton:
I feel that "Machine" or "Mechanical" doubling can be confusing, as neither term indicates in which part of the minting process this happens. Either of those terms could refer to the coin counters at the end of the process!


I never say that MD it is not correct from the generic point of view. Me I like to go more deeper. Do not matter this, we use generic MD.

Any ways, for me doubling of the Hammer and the doubling of the Anvil are not same.

Seem that are no more technical debates here.

Good luck to all!
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 Posted 02/20/2024  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
This is what I originally questioned.


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You has MD in both forms: mechanical Doublling and Machine Doublling.


That is 1000% wrong. They both mean the SAME THING.

JT's statement backs up that your statement is wrong.

You are off on some wild tangent.

You are on thin ice here. mainly because you constantly bite the new collectors. The misinformation is second.
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