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1802 Draped Bust Large Cent (PCGS Vs You)

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 Posted 02/22/2024  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I'm thinking AU.
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 Posted 02/22/2024  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list
Thanks so much for your opinions so far! I think I posted this in the incorrect place--can someone with the power to do so move this to the US classic and colonial grading forum?
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 Posted 02/22/2024  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
A very nice looking AU-55.
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 Posted 02/22/2024  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Messed with but market acceptable. XF-45
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 Posted 02/22/2024  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
Very attractive coin. I'm at AU-something.
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 Posted 02/23/2024  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coins4Eli to your friends list
Nice S-242. I am almost certain that it is straight graded. Cleaned, with a poor recolor job. My TPG grade is XF-40. My EAC grade is F-15.
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 Posted 02/23/2024  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
I don't see any evidence of recoloring. Old cleaning? Maybe. The reverse is a bit blotchy. Obverse looks like it should given the apparent sharpness.

If this was in an envelope in my collection it's a net 35 EAC. I would have no problem with owning (or selling) it.
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 Posted 02/23/2024  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pmint1 to your friends list
Hmmm
I think AU 55 but I wonder if pcgs questioned the authenticity of the color because of the roughness of the obverse in the area between the chin and rim. Almost looks like it may of had environmental damage and was toned over it. I'm far from an expert though.
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 Posted 02/23/2024  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
Is definitely say an AU.
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 Posted 02/23/2024  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list
I thank you all for sharing your opinions--it amazes me how early American copper can lead to such a wide variety of opinions and assessments. I love all of my EAC coins, including their flaws (like the little spots on my uncleaned 1794 Half Cent and the blue patch on my 1839 "booby head" cent), and the evaluations of their features (both positive and negative) richly characterize those coins, giving them a sort of "identity" or "personality." As I continue to amass more for my US type set (I certainly see more and more factors that help construct a coin's identity in the marketplace. Less than one day left before I reveal the PCGS grade on this coin :). The color looks better in person than it did in my photos. The lighting in this photo was weird, under a lamp on a nightstand. Four weeks ago I was shooting ancient Nabatean tombs in a Saudi Arabian desert, capturing subtle hues of gold, orange, tan, red, and even some purples in the stone in varying intensities of sunlight. Apparently I am much better at capturing landscapes and buildings than I am little metal discs esconsed in plastic slabs.
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 Posted 02/23/2024  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Coins can very difficult to photograph well. A good setup is to use a copy stand and adjust the angle until the coin "shoots" the way you want it to. Straight-on shots will maximize contrast (useful if shooting, e.g. proof coins) especially if you are using a direct light source perpendicular to the coin's facing surface.

One thing that I have had good luck with is using a "coin box" - a box, open to the front, lined on the other 3 sides with black or dark blue fabric. You can then use indirect incident light sources positioned in such a way that the luster is maximized or the surface detail/color. This avoids some of the "light pollution" from ambient light sources and lets you fine-tune your lighting. Use an incident light meter to set your stop and speed once you have your coin and lighting set up (I've found that the built-in meter in modern DSLR setups tends to underexpose shots if the subject is super-lustrous or proof/prooflike.)

People far more expert than I swear by small "penlight" LED light sources but I've always found that makes white balance tricky to dial in and also can add cyans/blues to the shot. I prefer a soft white incandescent light, but it needs to be cool enough that it doesn't add in a bunch of reds and oranges which will have to be desaturated later in post. Either way, you're going to want to have good post-processing software of some sort (I use a very old PhotoShop CS2, but still very effective) or your camera software (e.g. Nikon's NX Studio.)

I shoot all my coins using a Nikon DSLR at either 35 or 55 mm. I'd have much better luck with a decent copy stand, but for now, I make do!
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 Posted 02/23/2024  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
@Coins4Eli - EAC grade F-15? Really?!
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 Posted 02/24/2024  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list
Thanks again to everyone who weighed in. Paralyse, thanks for sharing your numismatic photography methods. I will work on mine in the future.

PCGS called this AU(50). I upgraded to this one from an AU(53) that is a bit darker and with a distracting hit on the cheek. I like this coin more as a type coin, both in the fields and color.


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 Posted 02/24/2024  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Nailed it!

I think it's a very attractive coin for a TPG 50. I would keep it.
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 Posted 02/24/2024  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adam126402 to your friends list
That is a beauty! Congrats. I love the draped bust cents.
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