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I agree with MS-65. But it's very gemmy compared to other TrueView examples, so it could go higher. It's a real beauty of a Mercury dime. That little bang on the middle bands is unfortunate. I think it would be a dice roll at the TPGs. Cheerful grader: FB. Strict grader (including 99% of CCF members): not FB. |
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To quote PCGS: Quote:The Full Bands designation is granted to Mercury dimes in which the central (middle) set of bands shows a complete split in the middle. Also: Quote:Full Bands designations are bestowed only to Mercury dimes that grade MS60 or better and exhibit a complete separation of the central crossband on the reverse of the coin. From NGC: Quote:
To qualify for NGC's Full Bands (FB) designation, the two central bands (seen at the center of the coin) must show full separation (with a recessed area between them). The top and bottom groups of bands must also show separation. The mark across the 2nd band hinders "full separation" or "complete separation." Yes, it's a dice roll - sometimes coins "sneak in" to FB holders that are not technically qualified as FB. Bottom line, there's no downside to getting this coin slabbed, and a lot of upside if you can sneak it into a FB holder. It's beautiful either way and deserves to be protected. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
02/27/2024 12:57 pm
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I think we all could agree that if that hit was not on the middle band that this coin would have FSB with no question, and nice FSB at that. The band cut seems nice and deep the whole way and looks to be a little stronger on the side that has the hit. I read the PCGS page about FSB from the link provided. The next part quoted is from that page. "Why is this worth noting? The Full Bands detail is indicative of a sharp strike, which on many Mercury dimes is quite scarce and is often highly rare. This is especially true with early branch mint strikes, though there are plenty of later dates from Philadelphia that are all but elusive with Full Bands details, such as the 1945 Philadelphia Mercury dime with Full Bands. And because a Mercury dime possessing these complete details are generally scarce, many collectors are willing to pay a substantial premium for them over examples with characteristically softer strikes." I wonder if the TPG feels it more important to label a holder FSB because it is - "The Full Bands detail is indicative of a sharp strike" - as long as they feel for sure the coin had FSB before the minor hit? Maybe the coin having FSB before a small hit is more important than knocking a coin from having FSB because of a small hit. That is just a thought. We all do see plenty of NGC and PCGS holders with FSB and a small hit that makes us wonder. I'm just putting out my 2cents worth, I was in camp no FSB when I bought the coin, but I'm not good at this stuff to begin with. |
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Quote:PCGS: Full Bands designations are bestowed only to Mercury dimes that grade MS60 or better and exhibit a complete separation of the central crossband on the reverse of the coin. Well, if PCGS really said that, they sure like to contradict themselves... 
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Wow, haven't seen that before!
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Well, if PCGS really said that, they sure like to contradict themselves... This is also on that PCGS page. Quoted below. ""For the most part, Full Bands designations are bestowed only to Mercury dimes that grade MS60 or better and exhibit a complete separation of the central crossband on the reverse of the coin. However, there are exceptions made for the rare 1916-D Mercury dime as well as the 1942/1 and 1942/1-D overdates, which can receive a Full Bands designation on a qualifying coin grading as low as AU50. In all cases, there must be no interruption of the separation of the subject crossbands, including marks, gouges, nicks, or other surface imperfections. While the definition of a Full Bands Mercury dime essentially calls for surficial perfection in the areas of the crossbands, this does not suggest that only flawless specimens are capable of achieving the coveted Full Bands designation. Again, a Mercury dime can technically earn a Full Bands designation in a grade as "low" as MS60, and a great many Mercury dimes in the MS62 and MS63 are graded as "FB."""
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That further input most appreciated, thanks. But it seems rather silly to award FSB status to a few rarities in AU grades but not to equally deserving but lesser-valued dates.  Edited by Coinfrog
02/27/2024 5:19 pm
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Yes, the 1916-D is one of the few Mercs that can be FB in an assigned grade below MS.
The FH designator for SLQ's is another designator that can be found on AU coins.
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But it seems rather silly to award FSB status to a few rarities in AU grades but not to equally deserving but lesser-valued dates. You're not the only one. To me that means they're not applying a "grading standard", they're passing out value enhancers to special coins (or special people). But I don't like the way they do these strike designations in general. A few bag marks had nothing to do with how well the coin was struck, yet they get rejected for it. It's way too subjective. Nice coin though, I agree with MS65 possibly 66.
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" For the most part, Full Bands designations are bestowed only to Mercury dimes that grade MS60 or better and exhibit a complete separation of the central crossband on the reverse of the coin." This would have made my high school English teacher cringe. How can you only do something for the most part? Yes you can have exceptions, but you can't then say in the same sentence that you only do it because it implies that there are no exceptions. It's like saying that you only love your wife, except when you are cheating on her. I still remember this English teacher from nearly 40 years ago who taught me that the first sentence of the Preamble to our Constitution contains an error. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,..." Apparently perfect is an end-state and it is impossible and illogical that anything can be more perfect. It is either perfect or not perfect - that's it. There are no levels of perfection. |
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No FB for you, Mr.!  |
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Alas, no FB, as you anticipated. Still a beautiful dime. =)
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 HumblePie me friend...
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MS66 its a crap shoot anymore for the designation however imo that hit would exclude it, its just to much and too deep but they are so inconsistent with this I would never go by their assessment for it. for me, if was paying a FB premium I want all 3 bands split not just the center one.
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